hi does any body know if the watchtower are printing any new awakes etc as these past 8 months or so i have had magazines from four different carts from four different towns 100s of miles apart and the most recent magazines that they all had were from 2021..
redsetter2 - “One new Watchtower and one new Awake each year now, with some reprints in between.”
Hmph.
Makes it sound like the “Writing Dept.” is basically reduced to a couple of (newly-neckbearded) twentyish-year-old remote workers, operating out of their mom’s basement.
😏
hi does any body know if the watchtower are printing any new awakes etc as these past 8 months or so i have had magazines from four different carts from four different towns 100s of miles apart and the most recent magazines that they all had were from 2021..
“Printing”?
Seriously?
😏
Listener - “…What they are saying is that one Committee, headed by some of the Governing Body members has approved the request made by another Committee headed by some members of the Governing Body… This means that neither their FDS or Governing Body, as a whole, made this decision.”
😄 LOL, reminds me of this:
Hey red, welcome (back). I had no idea you’d been here before, but I’m not surprised.
I actually linked to your recent Reddit thread a couple days ago, and a few of us talked about it here (starting 6th post down):
https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/4917598026727424/just-had-thought?page=5
Please feel free to chime in.
https://youtu.be/pszy22hzj8o.
new light?.
https://www.dadseekingtruth.com/.
I’ve said this before, but I have a really hard time imagining the Org succeeding at any attempts at authentic mainstream reform.
All the things that they hold up as “proof” of God’s exclusive favor would be left by the wayside one by one.
The ones that already want to leave will go even more readily…
…and the ones that would otherwise want to stay will have lost any real incentive to.
Not that having to shut down due to insolvency would feel any better, but jeezus.
https://youtu.be/pszy22hzj8o.
new light?.
https://www.dadseekingtruth.com/.
DesirousOfChange - “…The blood issue is almost already a ‘non-issue’ as a result of the Bulgarian compromise in the late 1990's…”
The Bulgaria thing wasn’t a compromise.
It was loopholed weasel-wording.
i been reading quite a few experiences on reddit lately, and their seems to be a common theme coming up….
…dialed-up-to-eleven shunning of xjws by their witness relatives.. it reminds me of back in the day, listening to some of the over-the-top vitriol displayed by hard-core loyalists when the topic of evolution or apostates came up….
…i was gobsmacked when i finally realized these guys weren’t offended and indignant because they thought it was lies….
NotFormer - “I can't see a Samsonesque self-sacrifice by the GB. One, they're strike me as being pretty cowardly. They're great at having others make sacrifices, but aren't that keen on doing it themselves…”
I’m inclined to agree.
That being said, everything we’ve seen and heard reinforces the idea the WT leadership are full-on True Believers…
…and the True Believers at Jonestown chose to crash-and-burn rather than face the alternative. 😵💫
However…
markweatherill - “I wouldn't be surprised if the governing body was discovered to have been taken to heaven just as their great tribulation begins… I'd love to see them apprehended at the airport with one way tickets to a country that has no extradition treaty with the US.”
This is hard to argue with…
…like NotFormer, the current crop at WTHQ strike me as a pretty soft bunch, but they’d rather gargle with broken glass than make the ultimate gamble, declare victory, and then not be vindicated.
They could justify the deception as the lesser of two evils… i.e. worth it to keep the spark alive amongst the rank-and-file, and (more importantly) the Organization alive amongst themselves. 🙄
The luxury bolthole in Argentina’d be off the table, though… their ext-treaty with the US is pretty ironclad.
My money’s on the Caymans…
…’cause unless things have changed, that’s where a big chunk of theirs is.
i been reading quite a few experiences on reddit lately, and their seems to be a common theme coming up….
…dialed-up-to-eleven shunning of xjws by their witness relatives.. it reminds me of back in the day, listening to some of the over-the-top vitriol displayed by hard-core loyalists when the topic of evolution or apostates came up….
…i was gobsmacked when i finally realized these guys weren’t offended and indignant because they thought it was lies….
NotFormer - “…Remember, they dropped the sacrosanct door to door work, their main distinction, at the merest hint that the government might have a problem with it, during the lockdowns.”
Yup, gotta protect that vital charity-status for as long as possible before it all goes to shit. 😏
just wondering if the rich celebrities that occasionally were aligned with the wt gave enough to the 'tower to be a worthwhile presence within the organisation?.
my gut instinct is: "no".
i imagine that the jackson family gave a fair bit, but it was obviously never enough to buy michael the right to be held as being in good standing.
NotFormer - “WT words are often weasel words.”
“Weaseltower”.
Not too shabby.
i been reading quite a few experiences on reddit lately, and their seems to be a common theme coming up….
…dialed-up-to-eleven shunning of xjws by their witness relatives.. it reminds me of back in the day, listening to some of the over-the-top vitriol displayed by hard-core loyalists when the topic of evolution or apostates came up….
…i was gobsmacked when i finally realized these guys weren’t offended and indignant because they thought it was lies….
A Reddit follow-up...
...this was one of the more interesting threads I came across recently, particularly the OP... I recommend reading it:
https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/1ao9o36/how_leaks_actually_work_as_a_bethel_insider/
A couple things further down particularly caught my attention, though (note: you might have to wade a bit to find 'em)...
"...the Governing Body are expected to say that we are in the Great Tribulation as soon as the entire religion is forcibly shut down over the CSA scandals. That's the exit plan, the final cry of persecution, then they're done."
He then refers to the so-called "hailstone" message...
"...the GB are already accepting responsibility that their message will provoke governments to attack them and shut them down. Most PIMI JWs didn't notice this message in the Watchtower, the Governing Body has had this plan for years to wipe themselves out if all else 'fails'."
And finally...
"...scripturally, there is no indication of what starts the Great Tribulation. So it's an easy one for Watchtower to flip flop around."
Am I reading these right?
Is this guy actually alleging that despite the recent and impending attempts at (the appearance of) mainstream reform, the Org leadership is genuinely expecting to get backed into a corner over CSA and close up shop (insolvency via loss of charity-status, maybe?), then denounce the whole world in a manner that's so obnoxious the rest of humanity attacks the WT?
Instead of "Babylon the Great" first?
And if God doesn't miraculously bail them out, they'd rather the WTS actually be... erased?
I've joked about scenarios like this, but it was never much more than a thought experiment.
Anybody here think it's legit?
