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  If the org. Is being advised by consultants, is a name change in the works?

  by nowwhat? in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  let's be honest, there's a stigma to the name jehovah's witness.

  if they are going more mainstream.

  i imagine the first recommendation was a name change.

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  Vidiot

  I like to imagine Rutherford in Hell, being forced to watch a live feed in real-time of his entire legacy all going to shit.

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  Will recent dress-code changes affect the WTS negatively?

  by Wonderment in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in a span of a few months time, we have had many unexpected changes announced by the jw organization.

  some here have expressed the belief that a great number of witnesses will leave the religion.

  in fact, there is a great probability the opposite will be true.. yeah, ancient hardliners will have a hard time assimilating these changes, but the younger generation will likely welcome these changes.

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  Vidiot

  One thing that is satisfying about easing up on the dress code…

  …the judgmental Karens at the Hall will have considerably less to work with.

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  Will recent dress-code changes affect the WTS negatively?

  by Wonderment in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in a span of a few months time, we have had many unexpected changes announced by the jw organization.

  some here have expressed the belief that a great number of witnesses will leave the religion.

  in fact, there is a great probability the opposite will be true.. yeah, ancient hardliners will have a hard time assimilating these changes, but the younger generation will likely welcome these changes.

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  Vidiot

  One old standby in particular that the Org used for for years was the expression “we do not recommend/advise you to…” (paraphrasing, but not much).

  …which was overwhelmingly understood by the R&F as “we recommend/advise you not to”…

  …whereas technically (in terms of grammar), it was actually a much more neutral turn of phrase, closer to “we neither recommend nor forbid you to…”

  It took me years to figure that out.
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  Will recent dress-code changes affect the WTS negatively?

  by Wonderment in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in a span of a few months time, we have had many unexpected changes announced by the jw organization.

  some here have expressed the belief that a great number of witnesses will leave the religion.

  in fact, there is a great probability the opposite will be true.. yeah, ancient hardliners will have a hard time assimilating these changes, but the younger generation will likely welcome these changes.

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  Vidiot

  NotFormer - “…R&F JWs are probably trying to find the hidden code: ‘What are they actually commanding us to do here?’…”

  Tell them “nothing”, sit back, and watch the confusion. 😏

  I’m actually reminded of when they started discussing blood fractions; specifically advising to inform your doctor of your choices …and a lot of folks did indeed try to “decode” the instructions.

  One old loyalist biddy said that she still wouldn’t accept anything, only to be told “don’t tell us, tell your doctor”.

  Viewing almost everything as some kind of litmus test and feeling compelled to broadcast all your personal business to everyone around you must be exhausting AF. 😵‍💫
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  Will New Rules Bring JWs Together or Pull Them Apart?

  by doinmypart in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  there's been a lot of discussion about the changes in the org.

  you might think all this would shake things up, especially for the older or super dedicated jws.

  but remember when gb decided all the khs and the bank accounts needed to be transferred/managed from the top?

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  Vidiot

  Tom has a source, Red is a source…

  …we should start a betting pool of some kind…

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  If the org. Is being advised by consultants, is a name change in the works?

  by nowwhat? in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  let's be honest, there's a stigma to the name jehovah's witness.

  if they are going more mainstream.

  i imagine the first recommendation was a name change.

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  Vidiot

  At this point, they’re not trying to look more “appealing”…

  …they’re trying to look less toxic.

  And the “Jehovah’s Witness” and “Watchtower” labels are definitely more toxic than not, these days.
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  Wishing that You Could Make it all Go Away

  by NotFormer in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  there're always things we did in the past that we wish had never happened or that we could make them all go away.. the wt actually can do this, to a certain extent.

  speculation about tony?

  they command the r&f to stop doing it, and it goes away.

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  Vidiot

  They tried controlling the narrative in Norway, and the court saw right through it.
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  Will New Rules Bring JWs Together or Pull Them Apart?

  by doinmypart in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  there's been a lot of discussion about the changes in the org.

  you might think all this would shake things up, especially for the older or super dedicated jws.

  but remember when gb decided all the khs and the bank accounts needed to be transferred/managed from the top?

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  Vidiot

  If they’re doubling down on the blood rules, it’s probably because their lawyers have done some kind of cost-benefit analysis, and determined that dropping it will actually result in more legal problems than keeping it.
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  Article-New Zealand: JW's Church takes case over Abuse in Care ruling to Court of Appeal

  by AndersonsInfo in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/512321/jehovah-s-witness-church-takes-case-over-abuse-in-care-ruling-to-court-of-appeal?fbclid=iwar0ipoxydannpkym0rbwj-0ffxcmauhknchpvhql2l0azq4-garjfiihsqa.

  the court of appeal has reserved its decision in the jehovah's witness church's case challenging the abuse in care inquiry.. in wellington on thursday the church appealed a high court ruling that dismissed its claim to be excluded from the investigation.. the public gallery was packed with members of the church and abuse survivors.. lawyer sarah jerebine began the appeal by challenging the royal commission's decision to extend the inquiry's scope from institutional care to trust-based relationships between authority figures and children.. "it becomes a person with authority, not authority to care but just authority, can assume responsibility for a trust-based relationship.

  we say that is something quite different to what was intended and understood by what this commission would be looking at.".

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  NotFormer - “…Even if they get off on the ‘in care’ technicality, what's to stop Parliament from deciding to broaden the scope of the inquiry? Another legal precedent brought on by themselves…”

  Bingo.

  It’s like they have trouble grasping that secular laws can, will, and need to be fine-tuned from time to time, and it ain’t always gonna be in their favor.

  They always assumed the World would use heavy-handed militant force to try and wipe them out (which, let’s face it, would make it way easier to look like victims).

  They never imagined they could be sued, taxed, or legislated into oblivion. 😏
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  How to respond to any JW about The Watchtower being an NGO

  by Bluegrass Tom in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i prepared the following in abrief essay form from my research on the subject.. please read it through.

  it will take a few minutes.i believe it is comprehensive enough for use with almost anyone.. if any one wants it in word ot pdf format, i can email it you.. a matter of reason.

  the issue of being disturbed by the watchtower society becoming associated with the united nations as a non-governmental organization (ngo) is not a matter of faith, but a matter of reason.. .

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  Vidiot

  Not to mention that if reports are accurate, they’re trying to overhaul their eschatology anyway…

  …and I pretty sure the UN will be a virtual nonentity in the new-and-improved narrative.