Posts by Vidiot

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for all or all time?

by enoughisenough in

pasting this page for hebrews 10:10 https://biblehub.com/parallel/hebrews/10-10.htm.

it speaks of jesus sacrifice for all ( as in all peoples ) or is it for all time?

( one time only).

Can a Church Lie Intentionally? Yes.

by peacefulpete in

a very recent case i mentioned briefly in another thread might be of interest to many here.

a mormon found through the internet that her church leadership had deliberately misled members regarding the origin of the book of mormon and engaged in historical revisioning.

she sued for damages for the lifelong tithing she had been deceived into giving.

Vidiot

If you’re dishonest in your efforts to claim the moral high ground, you automatically forfeit the moral high ground.

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How did you find Jehovah's Witness meetings?

by Vanderhoven7 in

i personally have only attended a handful of meetings at kingdom halls.

i did not enjoy any of them nor was i impressed by anything that was conveyed.

perhaps others did not find them boring as i did.. nadia viotto has this to say about her experience.

Vidiot

The last one I took my 90-plus-year-old mom to, the Governing-Body-WT-Organization cheerleading felt like it’d been dialed up to 11.

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Has anyone else felt like this ?

by Riley in

jw
friends

about three years ago , there was a son of an elder in my hall ( and i use the term " my hall " in a very loose term ) who committed suicide.

the guy was real asshole but not one deserves something like that.

i read his sons obit online.

Vidiot

They used to condemn suicide as self-murder, until they - allegedly - finally started acknowledging that you can’t always fully understand or judge any individual’s mental or emotional state.

Probably started hearing rumours that too many of the more vulnerable rank-and-filers might be suffering suicidal depression explicitly due to the particulars of the WT ideology, lifestyle, and belief system, and wanted to avoid any blowback.

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Garbage in equals Garbage Out: A study in computer science as applied to JW doctrine

by Terry in

jw
friends

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1h4dynwkbyakgdibbwlibwtf2ruzpewcd5ipupvo-edm/edit?usp=sharing.

garbage in / garbage outthere is a saying about errors in computer science: garbage in / garbage outin computer science, garbage in, garbage out is the concept that flawed, or nonsense input data produces nonsense output.

rubbish in, rubbish out is an alternate wording.

Vidiot

I remember in COC how Ray Franz was bothered by the fact that even though the GB technically paid lip service to their own fallibility…

…they still - for all intents and purposes - required the membership to act as though they were infallible.

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bringing up the 1954 Walsh Trial

by enoughisenough in

i went back into this forum a little ways and found quite a bit of discussion on the walsh (1954) for those newly out or those who don't know of what i write, you should really check it out.

anyone who is a jw or studying with jw should see material from this trial.

my take away...the printed materials of the wtbts were to believed over the bible and if you didn't believe the wt teachings over the bible, ( even though they admit to false prophesy )you would be disfellowshipped and deserving of death.

Vidiot

TonusOH - “…It was fascinating to see how easily the attorney got them to admit that the most important thing was that the rank and file accept what they were told, regardless of whether or not they believed it, and regardless of whether or not it was right...”

Yup.

Thing of it is, though…

…if you’re dishonest in your attempts to claim the moral high ground, you forfeit the moral high ground.

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bringing up the 1954 Walsh Trial

by enoughisenough in

i went back into this forum a little ways and found quite a bit of discussion on the walsh (1954) for those newly out or those who don't know of what i write, you should really check it out.

anyone who is a jw or studying with jw should see material from this trial.

my take away...the printed materials of the wtbts were to believed over the bible and if you didn't believe the wt teachings over the bible, ( even though they admit to false prophesy )you would be disfellowshipped and deserving of death.

Vidiot

Yup.

One difference, though…

…say what you will about those OG guys, but at least they had the balls to own that shit. How they still acquired tax-exemption after that fiasco is beyond me.

I think it’s the main reason WT Legal seems to have bent over backwards to shield the WT leadership from the courts.

I suspect that today’s GB - convinced God’s got their back - would try to lie through their teeth, get caught doing so (because of all the WT internal correspondence and documentation any legal opposition would have by then), and would be eviscerated on the stand, or worse.

If they’re forced to acknowledge, under oath, how wrong they really are about everything, it - like the testimonies of the Walsh Trial - becomes a matter of Public Record, and therefore way, way harder to hand-wave away as “apostate lies” or Satanic propaganda (particularly in the Information Age, where - like the Aussie ARC inquires - we’d have full audio and video).

I think they’d sell their souls to avoid that kind of exposure, because the inevitable loss of legitimacy and authority in the eyes of any rank-and-filer with half a brain who sees it (and I suspect there’d be a lot) would be a fucking disaster.

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Front row seats watching the collapse of watchtower

by Indoubtbigtime in

i’m a pimo ministerial servant and i won’t fade because i want to keep my front row seats watching what happens next few years.. my predictions are that this current governing body will slowly die off and the current younger helpers will be the next gb.

they will eventually have new light that they were wrong about 1914 and the overlapping generations.. the new light will be something on the lines of the last days are now because of king of north king of south pushing each other etc etc.

they will do their very best to burry old literature and try to change the past trying to make it sound like they were right all along just as they have done for 150 years now.

Vidiot

Historically, apocalyptic groups have actually needed to occasionally “date-set” to re-stoke waning membership zeal.

Unfortunately for the WTS, however, they’ve done it so many times that they’ll lose too much credibility… they’re stuck with “any day now, any day now, any day now”.

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Front row seats watching the collapse of watchtower

by Indoubtbigtime in

i’m a pimo ministerial servant and i won’t fade because i want to keep my front row seats watching what happens next few years.. my predictions are that this current governing body will slowly die off and the current younger helpers will be the next gb.

they will eventually have new light that they were wrong about 1914 and the overlapping generations.. the new light will be something on the lines of the last days are now because of king of north king of south pushing each other etc etc.

they will do their very best to burry old literature and try to change the past trying to make it sound like they were right all along just as they have done for 150 years now.

Vidiot

One things for sure, they are long past the possibility of any kind meaningful reform.

At the very least, they’ll dwindle away to a pale, whispery shadow of their former selves, to the point where regular folk are barely aware they even exist anymore.

Like the Hare Krishnas.

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Front row seats watching the collapse of watchtower

by Indoubtbigtime in

i’m a pimo ministerial servant and i won’t fade because i want to keep my front row seats watching what happens next few years.. my predictions are that this current governing body will slowly die off and the current younger helpers will be the next gb.

they will eventually have new light that they were wrong about 1914 and the overlapping generations.. the new light will be something on the lines of the last days are now because of king of north king of south pushing each other etc etc.

they will do their very best to burry old literature and try to change the past trying to make it sound like they were right all along just as they have done for 150 years now.

Vidiot

I think the WTS is slowly dying.

And the GB (whoever they happen to be at the time) will continue to take increasingly unethical actions to prevent it (which will, of course, ironically contribute to it)…

…whilst continuing to delude themselves right up to the moment it happens (and probably even afterward), refusing to accept it.

Just a guess.