Posts by Vidiot

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Just had a thought…

by Vidiot in

i been reading quite a few experiences on reddit lately, and their seems to be a common theme coming up….

…dialed-up-to-eleven shunning of xjws by their witness relatives.. it reminds me of back in the day, listening to some of the over-the-top vitriol displayed by hard-core loyalists when the topic of evolution or apostates came up….

…i was gobsmacked when i finally realized these guys weren’t offended and indignant because they thought it was lies….

Vidiot

FFGost - “…Some of the most hysterically vicious comments I’ve ever heard were JWs ranting, sometimes at a meeting, sometimes in a private setting, about either gays or evolution… Just solely directed toward, as you noted, persons or concepts that very likely, on some level, they hoped were wrong but maybe weren’t.”

It’s funny… concluding that evolution was true was, in retrospect, one of my first big wake-up moments.

I just realized something in retrospect… I think seeing how threatened they were back then made me wonder if there wasn’t actually something to it…

…i.e., I became a little more open to the possibility.

By the time I realized that the WTS used all the same misquotes, logical fallacies, and semantic pretzel-twisting (the sleazy lawyer’s go-to grab bag of courtroom tactics when a case goes south) as “Worldly” creationists, I was primed.

If you have to cheat to defend your beliefs, your beliefs don’t deserve to be defended.

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Did Geoffrey Jackson lie under oath at the ARC?

by Vanderhoven7 in

i understand he intimated that the faithful slave was not the only spokesman for jehovah god.

he also intimated that corporal punishment was not advocated by the wts.

we're these lies or deception or did they represent the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth?.

Vidiot

I just remembered a long time ago when an older sister I once knew was constantly complaining about how the federal government had “banned” corporal punishment.

Eventually, I got so goddamned sick of hearing it I finally said, “wow, you must’ve really liked it, considering how much you complain about how you miss it” (paraphrasing, but not much).

The look on her face was fucking priceless.

More importantly, I said this in front of the whole bookstudy group and did not get in any trouble for it…

…and she never brought the subject up again.

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Jehovah's Witnesses suing Dutch State for discrimination

by Tahoe in

https://nltimes.nl/2023/12/11/jehovahs-witnesses-suing-dutch-state-discrimination .

the jehovah’s witnesses have sued the dutch state for discrimination, the religious organization informed trouw.

they consider it discriminatory that the government investigated them, but no other religious organization, for their handling of sexual abuse cases.. utrecht university conducted the investigation involved, following publications in trouw in which sexual abuse victims within the jehovah’s witnesses described what happened to them, and published the results in january 2020. utrecht university concluded that 60 percent of sexual abuse victims were very critical of how the jehovah’s witnesses handled their cases, scoring the handling a 1 out of 10. many victims were traumatized by how things were handled, the researchers said.. sander dekker, then the minster for legal protection, ordered the investigation at parliament’s insistence because the jehovah’s witnesses failed to arrange an investigation themselves, as the catholic church did at the time with the deetman commission.. the jehovah’s witnesses cooperated in the utrecht university investigation but unsuccessfully tried to stop the publication of its results.

Vidiot

If your religion intentionally sets its followers up for martyrdom…

…they’re not genuine martyrs.

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Elder abuser in Sunshine Coast down under (?)

by carla in

not sure if this has been posted or not, apologies if it has.

i did a quick search and did not see it.

https://archive.md/5zcdi -a sunshine coast jehovah’s witness figure accused of horrific sex crimes has been remanded in jail for fresh offences which allegedly occurred the same day he attended court.. and https://archive.md/r2o6x -a sunshine coast jehovah’s witness figure who allegedly used his position in the church to sexually assault young men has been arrested by police.

Vidiot

When you spend decades alienating and ostracizing people of genuine value… eventually, all you’re left with are the shitty ones.

And then you’re stuck with ‘em… effectively enabling them… ‘cause you can’t get anyone better.

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What If The Tower Fell?

by Big Dog in

what if the truly unthinkable happened and the tower went down?

perhaps the irs swooped in and claimed fraud and padlocked the headquarters and kingdom hall doors?

or the gb took the money and ran to a nice non-extradition country to live out their years?

Vidiot

The majority of JWs aren’t particularly violent (passivity is promoted - if indirectly - in WT rhetoric, after all), so I’m not too worried about angry loyalists seeking retribution…

…but I’d be surprised if some of ‘em didn’t at least try to blame “apostates” for the Tower crumbling (as logically - and from the WT’s POV, theologically - impossible as that is).

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What If The Tower Fell?

by Big Dog in

what if the truly unthinkable happened and the tower went down?

perhaps the irs swooped in and claimed fraud and padlocked the headquarters and kingdom hall doors?

or the gb took the money and ran to a nice non-extradition country to live out their years?

Vidiot

Considering most JW loyalists can’t seem to tie their fucking shoelaces without the WT’s “direction”, I can just imagine how dysfunctional some dutiful congregation would get after the first week or two of hunkering down in some poor semi-rural elder’s ~~bunker~~ half-finished walkout basement, waiting anxiously for the all-clear.

😏

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The "Problem" With Zoom

by XBEHERE in

jw
friends

here is the org's problem with zoom, attending this way does not fit with their "scriptural definition" of a christian gathering.

at least not anymore, one thing my pimi wife is fine with is attending on zoom occasionally, even 2-3 times a month or so.. if some of you recall, during covid there were break out rooms setup for people to stay on and associate.

many would also stay in the main meeting and talk over each other trying to say hello, etc.

Vidiot

“You get a congregation privilege! And you get a congregation privilege! And you get a congregation privilege!!!”

😆

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What's the org like now?

by Leathercrop in

even tho i've been expelled about 4 years now, i truly checked out around 2015. changes in the org i think we're just starting to get going.

i remember the kingdom songs suddenly getting the taylor swift treatment aka pop music treatment.

meetings were getting axed or meshed together or something.

Vidiot

Beth Sarim - “Salvation at the last minute… I dont think that shit has hit the fan yet in the Borg rank and file…”

Nope, not yet.

The way it’s worded, I’m not even sure the R&F will put together the implications right away.

If they did, the smarter ones might justify it by comparing the situation to the apostle Thomas, who actually did need proof he could see and touch (and who, I might add, was not vilified for it).

Either way, it may take a while to fully sink in.

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