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  Norway

  by St George of England in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so the wt society is going to contest the recent norway ruling.. jehovah’s witnesses to appeal unconstitutional ruling in norway (jw.org).

  their true colours are shown in the statement: "the decision to deregister jehovah’s witnesses denies us the financial aid and other benefits that the government provides to over 700 registered religious communities in the country.

  additional consequences include losing the right to appoint and authorize ministers of jehovah’s witnesses as officiants for weddings.".

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  Vidiot

  I don’t actually have much of a problem with throwing asshelders under the bus.

  As long as they don’t just single out one or two as scapegoats and then declare that they’ve cleaned house, like that Abu Ghraib horseshit back in the 00’s.
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  SCHEMING TO END YOUR MARRIAGE NOW AS BAD AS APOSTASY

  by raymond frantz in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  https://youtu.be/-yvykw37rzo?si=vwokohrdq2b53fmh.

  by now, it should be painfully obvious that we live in a post tonny morris era where the floods of organizational changes have become possible and a new version of the religion, some have called it warchtower 2.0 is emerging with a soft approach to disfellowshipping practices across the board for all those sinners.

  nevertheless 3 groups of people will still be targeted for harsh excommunication, we know the first two well :csa perpetrators and apostates.

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  Vidiot

  So basically…

  …the WT leadership is fine-tuning the rules to prevent overly authoritarian and/or biased BOEs (a.k.a. “asshelders”)* from handling the congregations in a manner that, rather than having a positive net effect, ends up alienating more members in the long run than not (i.e. creating “apostates”)…

  …which the Org can no longer afford.

  I gotta say…

  …for a good long while there, it definitely seemed like they wanted to get rid of more folks than they wanted to keep; it was talked about numerous times here.

  I guess they finally figured out (or more likely, had it explained to them in a way that didn’t break their brains) that it wasn’t a sound survival strategy.

  🤨

  *Entrenched administrative and ideological holdovers from the Jaraczic Period, I’ll bet.
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  Prediction: no more changes for a long while

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i’ve noticed a pattern where things don’t go the way i expect them to go and/or whenever i realise there is a trend and, i mentally adjust for the idea that the trend will continue, the trend stops in its tracks.

  so on that basis, and given many people, including myself, and active jws, have been asking ‘what changes will the governing body make next?’ perhaps the (disappointing) answer is: ‘nothing much for a while to come’.

  maybe they’ve made the changes they want for now, and will wait a while and see how it’s received.

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  Vidiot

  “Important frivolities”…

  …that’s good, I gotta remember that one.

  😏
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  Update changes well received

  by Gorb in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  a few weeks later, the witness that i speak, family and friends are very happy with the recent changes .. no one mentions the df aproach change, fieldservice report and free entrance to the paradise for non jw.. only the clothing style and beard are mentioned.. the sisters are all in a halaluja happy modes.

  they are feeling being respected and heard by the lovely leadership.. one brother told me he will never grow a beard because he lost his elder status in the early 90's because of his beard.

  now it's allowed i will not grow a beard he sweared.. it seems jw.org has down a great change job.

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  Vidiot

  NotFormer - “It's a classic case of misdirection…”

  Agreed.

  Thing is, though…

  …the moment you start using under-handed (or heavy-handed) methods in your efforts to claim the moral high ground…

  …you forfeit the moral high ground.
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  Prediction: no more changes for a long while

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i’ve noticed a pattern where things don’t go the way i expect them to go and/or whenever i realise there is a trend and, i mentally adjust for the idea that the trend will continue, the trend stops in its tracks.

  so on that basis, and given many people, including myself, and active jws, have been asking ‘what changes will the governing body make next?’ perhaps the (disappointing) answer is: ‘nothing much for a while to come’.

  maybe they’ve made the changes they want for now, and will wait a while and see how it’s received.

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  Vidiot

  Sea Breeze - “The message is: we will throw you a bone now and then as long as you don't try to explore Christianity outside of the Kingdom Hall…”

  Anything outside of the Kingdom Hall, really…

  …‘cause at this point, damn near everything outside the Kingdom Hall is looking like a major improvement.
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  Prediction: no more changes for a long while

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i’ve noticed a pattern where things don’t go the way i expect them to go and/or whenever i realise there is a trend and, i mentally adjust for the idea that the trend will continue, the trend stops in its tracks.

  so on that basis, and given many people, including myself, and active jws, have been asking ‘what changes will the governing body make next?’ perhaps the (disappointing) answer is: ‘nothing much for a while to come’.

  maybe they’ve made the changes they want for now, and will wait a while and see how it’s received.

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  Vidiot

  NotFormer - “…The modus operandi to date seems to be: announce the big change, but hide it behind a little one, like beards or women's trousers…”

  I noticed that, too.
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  Destroying Notes

  by LevelThePlayingField in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i asked the ai gemini about destroying notes.

  here’s the response:.

  this scenario raises several legal and ethical concerns:.

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  Vidiot

  Sometimes it seems like the WT makes an even bigger mess when they try to clean up the previous mess.

  😏
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  Norway

  by St George of England in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so the wt society is going to contest the recent norway ruling.. jehovah’s witnesses to appeal unconstitutional ruling in norway (jw.org).

  their true colours are shown in the statement: "the decision to deregister jehovah’s witnesses denies us the financial aid and other benefits that the government provides to over 700 registered religious communities in the country.

  additional consequences include losing the right to appoint and authorize ministers of jehovah’s witnesses as officiants for weddings.".

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  Vidiot

  Common sense would tell them to back away from the table, put up their hands, and walk away while they still have what they got.

  Flogging a dead horse out of misguided pride is the kind of strategic blunder a True Believer makes because he can’t accept that he’s not invincible and destined to prevail.
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  The "10 Year Plan" - What is the realistic outcome?

  by redsetter2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  as there has been some discussion calling bs on this topic, .

  i will paste the text from my 10 year plan post and i will critically evaluate how i feel things will turn out.

  i will add bold italics my thoughts.. the governing body has a 10-year marketing plan to remodel the organization to become closer to a mainstream christian religion.

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  Vidiot

  I’m actually scratching my head a little over this bit…

  “The Watchtower only cares about obedience to the GB regardless of what they've currently been teaching or what they previously taught. They wouldn't care if even the most hardcore of JWs stumble or question things. All they expect is absolute obedience and quickly readjusting to changes without question.”

  It’s nothing I disagree with, per se… I’m just having trouble squaring it with this statement from Red from a couple weeks back:

  “The Governing Body certainly wishes to let JWs make their own mature decisions, they are tired of the constant letters pouring in asking them their viewpoint on certain matters.”

  These two allegations seem conflicting, but also…

  …the first almost sounds as though the WT and the GB are… separate entities?

  I’d love me some clarification.
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  Norway

  by St George of England in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so the wt society is going to contest the recent norway ruling.. jehovah’s witnesses to appeal unconstitutional ruling in norway (jw.org).

  their true colours are shown in the statement: "the decision to deregister jehovah’s witnesses denies us the financial aid and other benefits that the government provides to over 700 registered religious communities in the country.

  additional consequences include losing the right to appoint and authorize ministers of jehovah’s witnesses as officiants for weddings.".

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  Vidiot

  What NotFormer said.

  Just like with all the CSA court cases in the US, no matter what’s happens, they don’t come away looking like the good guys.