in an earlier thread another poster asserted that there is no evidence that revelation 3:14 played a part in the 4th controversy that led to the trinity doctrine.
this was claimed as evidence that the description of jesus as “the beginning of the creation of god” in the verse was not understood to mean that jesus was god’s first creation.
the scholarly greek–english lexicon of the new testament & other early christian literature 3e (2001) by bauer, arndt, gingrich, and danker, in its latest edition states that “first creation” is indeed the probable meaning of the greek phrase.
Wonderment - “…a common problem I see from ex-JWs is that somehow, at least some, have implied or concluded that any teaching associated with JWs must be simply wrong. I disagree with such assessment...”
Me too.
Even a busted clock is right twice a day.
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in holland we say "not because it is requierd, but because it's possible.
before we shaved, and now we let it grow.
pinky ring, too!.
I thought Sanderson and Jackson actually looked pretty decent with a beard.
This guy, though? Not so much.
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the september watchtower has already been released and is being discussed over on reddit.
some highlights: .
1. more hitting the flock on total reliance and obedience to god's representatives on earth today, the f&ds (the governing body, of course).
NotFormer - “…something someone does for the first time may be significant…”
This.
Case in point, Benedict XVI / Cardinal Ratzinger.
To the best of my knowledge, no sitting Pope had ever retired in the history of the RCC until him…
…it’s a lifetime appointment, and up till that moment, his predecessors had held the position till they died.
If anyone out there doesn’t think it was in response to Ratzinger’s exposed complicity in the Church’s child abuse problem, they’re naive.
the september watchtower has already been released and is being discussed over on reddit.
some highlights: .
1. more hitting the flock on total reliance and obedience to god's representatives on earth today, the f&ds (the governing body, of course).
TonusOH - “…I hope they are not trying to imply that the CSA allegations, lawsuits, and investigations are a sign of the end. That could go very badly for them if they lose any high-profile cases or if more mainstream attention is given to the investigations…”
From what we’ve heard, they are ready and willing to make that implication, if not directly saying it outright (they are True Believers, after all).
If the CSA tide keeps rising with no end in sight, and/or their their tax-exemption or state subsidies are revoked in more and more countries, they’ll be facing potential insolvency and shutdown.
At that point, what have they got to lose?
the september watchtower has already been released and is being discussed over on reddit.
some highlights: .
1. more hitting the flock on total reliance and obedience to god's representatives on earth today, the f&ds (the governing body, of course).
Gosh, Scully, don’t hold back…
…tell us how you really feel…
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yeah wow women can finally wear pants and men beards...but 1914 is still a date not accepted since charles russell times and blood fractions are evil!!.
are they crazy!!!
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I think at this point, the reasons why Russel and Rutherford were wrong are kind of moot.
The way I see it, the WTS’s illegitimacy is due to it being an authoritarian high-control group.
Everything else about them that’s wrong essentially stems from that.
yeah wow women can finally wear pants and men beards...but 1914 is still a date not accepted since charles russell times and blood fractions are evil!!.
are they crazy!!!
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FragrantAddendum - “… the gb are ‘aliens’…”
“Toldja.”
"hamburg police shoot man with axe ahead of euros match.
" https://www.bbc.co.uk/news.
why don't german police just use guns?.
The medias are wrong-wording stuff?
That’s unpossible!
the september watchtower has already been released and is being discussed over on reddit.
some highlights: .
1. more hitting the flock on total reliance and obedience to god's representatives on earth today, the f&ds (the governing body, of course).
@ Vanderhoven and Beth…
They apparently had a thing down in Florida not too long ago where they were getting COs up to speed on updates to the Org’s eschatology (Fred Franz’s old Cold-War-centric narrative was increasingly untenable, obviously).
Pretty sure the new-and-improved version has left plenty of wiggle room for that aspect (not to mention minimizing the UN’s role as a villain).
the september watchtower has already been released and is being discussed over on reddit.
some highlights: .
1. more hitting the flock on total reliance and obedience to god's representatives on earth today, the f&ds (the governing body, of course).
Labeling the troubles they’ve brought upon themselves as the Tribulation is all fine and dandy (and the hard-core loyalists will fall in line)…
..,but what happens when they’re persecuted sued, taxed, and legislated to their knees and God doesn’t bail ‘em out with Armageddon?
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