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Article: Jehovah's Witnesses lose court fight to obtain abuse inquiry report before victims

by Tahoe in

jehovah's witnesses have tried - and failed - to get an advance copy of the abuse in care inquiry's final report into their church.. the christian congregation of jehovah's witnesses australasia (ccjwa) filed an urgent claim in the high court in auckland on 21 june to obtain a copy of the final case study relating to the religious denomination in the inquiry's report, but the claim was dismissed.. it also unsuccessfully sought all relevant underlying documents supporting the case study.. in a separate case, the jehovah's witnesses also filed for leave to appeal to the supreme court after the court of appeal dismissed an earlier bid to avoid the scrutiny of the inquiry altogether.. rnz understands the ccjwa received and commented on a draft copy of the case study in may, but has yet to see a final draft.. if its high court claim had been successful, it could have led to the church receiving a copy before the government or abuse survivors had read the report.. jehovah's witnesses is the only religious group to take legal action against the commission.. it has taken similar action against public inquiries overseas, including in australia and the united kingdom.. in a statement, a jehovah's witnesses spokesperson said it had no choice but to go to court.. "we are in full agreement with the inquiry's objective to protect children but have serious concerns about the accuracy of the report regarding jehovah's witnesses.. "child protection is of utmost concern to jehovah's witnesses and we believe the people of new zealand, its decision-makers and most importantly survivors, deserve to be presented with accurate information.

we have no choice but to resort to court to address these issues.".

the inquiry is due to hand its final report to the governor-general on wednesday, wrapping up six years of work.. after that, it will be passed to internal affairs brooke van velden, who must table the report in parliament before it is made public.. that was expected to happen in the week beginning 22 july.. survivors of church abuse new zealand spokesperson and former jehovah's witnesses elder shayne mechen said former jehovah's witnesses members and survivors had been angered by the new court action.. "they are feeling angry and frustrated because it shows they [the church] don't care.".

Vidiot

“…just how deep does the WT’s CSA rabbit hole go?"

For the record, I’d already concluded it was pretty deep, for one reason in particular.

In response to the Dateline expose back in ‘02, they semi-publicly announced that (“known” 🙄) sex offenders could no longer serve in any congregational capacity.

What wasn’t common knowledge until long after was that they quietly reversed that position just a couple years later.

I couldn’t figure out why for the longest time, until I stumbled onto the only explanation that fit…

…there had to be so many offenders, that there weren’t enough “qualified brothers” able to “reach out” and run things at the grassroots level otherwise.

Which was, needless to say, disturbing as fuck.

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Article: Jehovah's Witnesses lose court fight to obtain abuse inquiry report before victims

by Tahoe in

jehovah's witnesses have tried - and failed - to get an advance copy of the abuse in care inquiry's final report into their church.. the christian congregation of jehovah's witnesses australasia (ccjwa) filed an urgent claim in the high court in auckland on 21 june to obtain a copy of the final case study relating to the religious denomination in the inquiry's report, but the claim was dismissed.. it also unsuccessfully sought all relevant underlying documents supporting the case study.. in a separate case, the jehovah's witnesses also filed for leave to appeal to the supreme court after the court of appeal dismissed an earlier bid to avoid the scrutiny of the inquiry altogether.. rnz understands the ccjwa received and commented on a draft copy of the case study in may, but has yet to see a final draft.. if its high court claim had been successful, it could have led to the church receiving a copy before the government or abuse survivors had read the report.. jehovah's witnesses is the only religious group to take legal action against the commission.. it has taken similar action against public inquiries overseas, including in australia and the united kingdom.. in a statement, a jehovah's witnesses spokesperson said it had no choice but to go to court.. "we are in full agreement with the inquiry's objective to protect children but have serious concerns about the accuracy of the report regarding jehovah's witnesses.. "child protection is of utmost concern to jehovah's witnesses and we believe the people of new zealand, its decision-makers and most importantly survivors, deserve to be presented with accurate information.

we have no choice but to resort to court to address these issues.".

the inquiry is due to hand its final report to the governor-general on wednesday, wrapping up six years of work.. after that, it will be passed to internal affairs brooke van velden, who must table the report in parliament before it is made public.. that was expected to happen in the week beginning 22 july.. survivors of church abuse new zealand spokesperson and former jehovah's witnesses elder shayne mechen said former jehovah's witnesses members and survivors had been angered by the new court action.. "they are feeling angry and frustrated because it shows they [the church] don't care.".

Vidiot

karter - “As usual anyone who said anything was quicky dissmissed as ‘Specking out against the organization” ect.”

Figures.

The moment you use heavy-handed (or under-handed) methods in your attempt to claim the moral high ground…

…you forfeit the moral high ground.

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My guess for August WatchTower: GB claims we're in beginning stages of Great Tribulation due to World governments turning on JW's

by WingCommander in

jw
friends

the september watchtower has already been released and is being discussed over on reddit.

some highlights: .

1. more hitting the flock on total reliance and obedience to god's representatives on earth today, the f&ds (the governing body, of course).

Vidiot

FFGhost - “The obvious apparent answer is they want these rewritten articles to be studied in October, not earlier, not later, but exactly in October.”

Hmm, hadn’t thought of that, but it’s hard to argue with.

And what happens in October? The Annual meeting.

Therefore, the content would have to synch up with information being presented there…

…suggesting that it didn’t before…

…because they’d anticipated different circumstances, and therefore, different information.

Ten bucks says they’d expected to prevail in the courts, and had crafted their material accordingly.

Oops.

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My guess for August WatchTower: GB claims we're in beginning stages of Great Tribulation due to World governments turning on JW's

by WingCommander in

jw
friends

the september watchtower has already been released and is being discussed over on reddit.

some highlights: .

1. more hitting the flock on total reliance and obedience to god's representatives on earth today, the f&ds (the governing body, of course).

Vidiot

Beth Sarim - “…Should the Borg declare the GT is upon us due to governments turning on them…..the problem is....is that there's NO going back…”

If they get to the point where they’re desperate enough to do that, it probably wouldn’t matter. 😏

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Coming soon: Governing Body Update #4

by ukpimo in

the upcoming governing body update, set to be released on friday this week, will feature a bearded samuel herd.. jwtalk website revealed the leak, so this thread will be used to speculate the content of the update and discuss the actual contents after its release..

Vidiot

All hail the Neworldordereptiluminati!

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My guess for August WatchTower: GB claims we're in beginning stages of Great Tribulation due to World governments turning on JW's

by WingCommander in

jw
friends

the september watchtower has already been released and is being discussed over on reddit.

some highlights: .

1. more hitting the flock on total reliance and obedience to god's representatives on earth today, the f&ds (the governing body, of course).

Vidiot

Fragrant - “…they are setting the rank-and-file up for death/pain/imprisonment…”

A simpler explanation is they’re setting them up for the Org’s financial collapse, and trying to spin it as “persecution” to save face.

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My guess for August WatchTower: GB claims we're in beginning stages of Great Tribulation due to World governments turning on JW's

by WingCommander in

jw
friends

the september watchtower has already been released and is being discussed over on reddit.

some highlights: .

1. more hitting the flock on total reliance and obedience to god's representatives on earth today, the f&ds (the governing body, of course).

Vidiot

Fragrant - “…when govt makes wt illegal…”

It’s doubtful that’ll ever happen*…

…and unlikely that they’ll ever need to.

Near as we can tell, the Org’s business model is almost completely dependent on its tax-exemption.

Therefore, federal revenue agencies would only need to revoke their “charity” status (for actual, legitimate violations of the minimum standards for qualification), and insolvency and collapse should follow**.

*Secular western governments are smart enough to realize that would stroke the leadership and rank-and-file’s collective persecution complex, and they’d have to deal with an uptick in membership, activity, and fanaticism.

**Not in the least because they’d suddenly be on the hook for the property taxes on hundreds of millions worth of real estate that, ironically, they themselves gobbled up in a panicked, knee-jerk land grab after the Menlo Park fiasco.

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Coming soon: Governing Body Update #4

by ukpimo in

the upcoming governing body update, set to be released on friday this week, will feature a bearded samuel herd.. jwtalk website revealed the leak, so this thread will be used to speculate the content of the update and discuss the actual contents after its release..