Posts by Dumplin

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Royal Commission live Today
by LostinJapan in
1. watchtower
2. child-abuse
tuesday 4 _ .

case study 29 .
Dumplin

Spinks: . but should we say that we will NEVER allow a pedo returned to cong? Elders don't stop rehabilitation. UnChristian to stop pedophiles from attending meetings.
McClellan: you miss the point. Civil procedures have mechanisms that JWs don't. JWs don't have the education or means to rehabilitate.
Spinks: We are willing to change.
angus: Do JWs engage at all in assisting the ped to get treatment?
Spinks: No. our concern is only spiritual things
Angus: Catholics say the same, but have now set up programs to deal with Peds.
Spniks: i see.
175
Royal Commission live Today
by LostinJapan in
1. watchtower
2. child-abuse
tuesday 4 _ .

case study 29 .
Dumplin

Oh now i get it. you break it you buy it.
So maybe polygamy will be addressed in the new elders handbook? since in Case 29 the men were already married when they did the molesting. New light! Now married elders who rape can buy a younger wife, YEA!
I liked McLellens comment just before lunch: you understand the bible was written in a particular socio cultural period and things change over time. Do JWs keep up or adjust with the times? Something like that.
I too am amazed at how sharp the commission is - but also how SENSITIVE they are. Something else the GB needs to change.
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Royal Commission live Today
by LostinJapan in
1. watchtower
2. child-abuse
tuesday 4 _ .

case study 29 .
Dumplin

@ Billy ROFL!!! "DO NOT ANGER THE BRONZE AGE DESERT GOD WITH YOUR IMPERTINENCE! If the girl is a virgin and engaged, she is already "sold". If the girl is a virgin and not engaged, she's for sale to the first rapist."
It's always the older men of the city that do the pelvic exams of the validity of virginity, of course. The women are all at home making dinner for the menfolk... you know, to keep the women busy so they aren't all gossiping.
Monty Python much? LOL
175
Royal Commission live Today
by LostinJapan in
1. watchtower
2. child-abuse
tuesday 4 _ .

case study 29 .
Dumplin

billy - it is the "evidence of virginity" that is taken into account"
I wonder if they let a woman check that or the dirty older men had to according to scriptural procedures
175
Royal Commission live Today
by LostinJapan in
1. watchtower
2. child-abuse
tuesday 4 _ .

case study 29 .
Dumplin

@ Billy again - That's another scripture which is talking about an engaged woman having to scream if she's raped. Deuteronomy 22:28-29 is talking about a single woman.
what's the difference? a rape is a rape
175
Royal Commission live Today
by LostinJapan in
1. watchtower
2. child-abuse
tuesday 4 _ .

case study 29 .
Dumplin

Doesn't Duet suggest there must've been a whole lotta shakin' n' rapin' goin' on back then? You hardly ever read about how the victim feels about anything though or that she should have a say in anything. Maybe why WT has no regard for women too... a patriarchal society.
175
Royal Commission live Today
by LostinJapan in
1. watchtower
2. child-abuse
tuesday 4 _ .

case study 29 .
Dumplin

@ billy - Bible requirement at Deut. 22:28,29 that the victim be forced to marry her rapist?
Doesn't the verses just before that indicate that a rape victim doen't need two witnesses? It says if no one is around (to hear her scream) then she is considered innocent and the rapist must die.
175
Royal Commission live Today
by LostinJapan in
1. watchtower
2. child-abuse
tuesday 4 _ .

case study 29 .
Dumplin

@ brokeback - "Also he needs to be asked that if he would follow the Governing Body's interpretation of scripture even if it was against the law whether he had the same interpretation or not??"
Excellent question. b/c Spinks just quoted the ol' must obey god instead of ceasar rule.
175
Royal Commission live Today
by LostinJapan in
1. watchtower
2. child-abuse
tuesday 4 _ .

case study 29 .
Dumplin

Angus left Spinks with something to mull over during lunch break: "What elements of your procedure cannot be changed in the future due to your understanding of the scriptures?" or something like that. I wonder how he'll slip out of that one.
I hope the commission will bring up the fact that "Watchtower's understanding of scripture is in a constant state of flux" as ScenicViewer just brought out. good point!
(I just tuned in so not sure yet what's been covered)
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Does the .Org have the gall to ignore the RC?
by Lemonp in
1. watchtower
2. scandals
i have been mulling over the options that the wt has to take in regard to child abuse.

in my mind there are the following ones:.

1. overhaul their entire system, and apologize to all abuse victims.
Dumplin

manned by people who have the knowledge and expertise to handle the unique problems that JW victims face
remarkably good idea ... an ad hoc committee . .. an overdue idea.
I liked you before, Crow - now I respect you. :)