Posts by Dumplin

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GeeJay at the RC: highlights, paraphrases and translations.
by sparrowdown in
1. social
2. humour
q: is there anyone that has the permanent role of coordinator or chairman?.

geejay: no, we rotate yearly...... (translaton) we are all sparticus.. geejay: we are a faith driven org, we are not a group of lawyers, being overly concerned with legal matters..... fave quotes .

on establishing headship principle 1cor 14: 33-35, 1 cor 11:3. geejay:...... that's talking about women not excitedly jumping up arguing with others..... geejay: ......our literature has said it, and we agree!.
Dumplin

PM(Peter McClellan): One of the concerns for survivors is having to approach three men. Government uses women as a reflection of our understanding that everyone can contribute to the common good in society.
We recognize there is difficulty for some in approaching men. Is there room for change?
GJ: NO room for women to be elders.
PM: Why is that? Because of your LITERAL interpretation of the Bible?
GJ: Vague description of pilot/copilot relationship, then said: but we have many happy women in org.
PM: Used to be all pilots were men. Not so anymore
touché!!
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Part 1 Video UP Geoffrey Jacksons questioning at the Australia Commission
by Watchtower-Free in
1. watchtower
2. child-abuse
1st half to nights video .

higher quality later.

http://youtu.be/quud_f1jr7e .
Dumplin

likewise grateful. i had so much trouble with the streaming. couldn't even get a video, just bad sound. the RC site must have been deluged w/ viewers and i thought for a moment NO ONE was going to get a decent recording. GREAT WORK!!
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Geoffrey Jackson - Royal Commission Live Hearing Now!
by LostinJapan in
1. watchtower
2. child-abuse
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https://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/case-study/636f01a5-50db-4b59-a35e-a24ae07fb0ad/case-study-29,-july-2015,-sydney.
Dumplin

@ Crow
you said:
A 'sincere' apology..."Oh, honey...I am so, so, sorry
I never heard the word "sorry" in all that mush and I was listening for it. I'll listen again when I review the recording
A sociopathic response ... I'm no expert, but I tend to agree he's a sociopath w/out a conscience. He was waaay too plastic in his attempt at empathy. I almost turned it off after that, it made me so sick!
Geez,Jackson. Ya can't have it both ways. This is an Excellent observation Crow - A+ !! First he says he can't know what women feel, then later he says he knows the terrible trauma she feels.
- an empty shell. Yep, like most every other JW i've ever met.
I don't know if I can sleep now after all of this tonight.
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Geoffrey Jackson - Royal Commission Live Hearing Now!
by LostinJapan in
1. watchtower
2. child-abuse
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https://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/case-study/636f01a5-50db-4b59-a35e-a24ae07fb0ad/case-study-29,-july-2015,-sydney.
Dumplin

That article I just posted about God using women concluded: women tend to hear from God more than men (in the Bible), and yet they maintain that it is the men who have the spiritual authority in the church and home.
Then it says this:
From the Scriptures, we can clearly see that God does not speak solely to men and husbands, even in matters that directly affect them and their families. God can and does entrust his word – with the authority it entails – directly to women and wives. God can and does speak to women without using husbands and male church leaders as mediators. All believers have direct access to God through Jesus and his Holy Spirit, and vice versa.
“There is one mediator between God and people (or humankind), the person (or human being) Christ Jesus.” (1 Timothy 2:5, literal translation.)
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Geoffrey Jackson - Royal Commission Live Hearing Now!
by LostinJapan in
1. watchtower
2. child-abuse
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https://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/case-study/636f01a5-50db-4b59-a35e-a24ae07fb0ad/case-study-29,-july-2015,-sydney.
Dumplin

Orphan I just posted an article that lists them all.
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Geoffrey Jackson - Royal Commission Live Hearing Now!
by LostinJapan in
1. watchtower
2. child-abuse
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https://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/case-study/636f01a5-50db-4b59-a35e-a24ae07fb0ad/case-study-29,-july-2015,-sydney.
Dumplin

http://newlife.id.au/equality-and-gender-issues/bible-women-with-spiritual-authority/
I've read better articles than this about women appointed by God in the Bible, but this one highlights it pretty well. I think Angus needs to direct this question at GJ - what about these women who had authority in the Bible?
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Geoffrey Jackson - Royal Commission Live Hearing Now!
by LostinJapan in
1. watchtower
2. child-abuse
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https://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/case-study/636f01a5-50db-4b59-a35e-a24ae07fb0ad/case-study-29,-july-2015,-sydney.
Dumplin

This was a revealing interchange:
Angus: Deut 22:23-27 There was no other witness when she was raped.
GJ: but there were circumstances
Angus: yes - the circumstance was she was raped in the field. So is the scriptural basis really so solid for your 2 witness rule?
GJ: Cimcumstances can be the 2nd witness.
Angus: And yet, however, there needn't be a 2nd witness in the case of adultery to be determined according to your Elder Handbook.
This contradiction I don't think GJ had thought too much about.
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Geoffrey Jackson - Royal Commission Live Hearing Now!
by LostinJapan in
1. watchtower
2. child-abuse
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https://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/case-study/636f01a5-50db-4b59-a35e-a24ae07fb0ad/case-study-29,-july-2015,-sydney.
Dumplin

Angus: couldn't the very real trauma of a young girl be considered as evidence and establish a 2nd witness?
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Geoffrey Jackson - Royal Commission Live Hearing Now!
by LostinJapan in
1. watchtower
2. child-abuse
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https://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/case-study/636f01a5-50db-4b59-a35e-a24ae07fb0ad/case-study-29,-july-2015,-sydney.
Dumplin

Angus: Do you accept that JWs don't report child abuse unless legally required? Is there a scriptural basis for this?
GJ: Prov 25:8-10 is one factor to consider. the 2nd issue 1Pet 5:2,3 - elder doesn't have authority over a family whether they want to report or not...or whether the accused wants to report.
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Geoffrey Jackson - Royal Commission Live Hearing Now!
by LostinJapan in
1. watchtower
2. child-abuse
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https://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/case-study/636f01a5-50db-4b59-a35e-a24ae07fb0ad/case-study-29,-july-2015,-sydney.
Dumplin

Angus: who decides whether the wrongdoing has been established?
GJ: 2 elders see if there's a basis for the accusation before a judicial meeting.
Angus: Is it always necessery to use 2 MEN in this or could a woman be used in this preliminary determination is established?
GJ: (vague)
Angus: who makes the decision? It must be elders?
GJ: Yes
Angus: where is this in the Bible?
GJ: 1 Cor 11:3 (headship scrip) Men make final decisions.