@ Billy ROFL!!! "DO NOT ANGER THE BRONZE AGE DESERT GOD WITH YOUR IMPERTINENCE! If the girl is a virgin and engaged, she is already "sold". If the girl is a virgin and not engaged, she's for sale to the first rapist."
It's always the older men of the city that do the pelvic exams of the validity of virginity, of course. The women are all at home making dinner for the menfolk... you know, to keep the women busy so they aren't all gossiping.
Monty Python much? LOL
billy - it is the "evidence of virginity" that is taken into account"
I wonder if they let a woman check that or the dirty older men had to according to scriptural procedures
@ Billy again - That's another scripture which is talking about an engaged woman having to scream if she's raped. Deuteronomy 22:28-29 is talking about a single woman.
what's the difference? a rape is a rape
@ billy - Bible requirement at Deut. 22:28,29 that the victim be forced to marry her rapist?
Doesn't the verses just before that indicate that a rape victim doen't need two witnesses? It says if no one is around (to hear her scream) then she is considered innocent and the rapist must die.
@ brokeback - "Also he needs to be asked that if he would follow the Governing Body's interpretation of scripture even if it was against the law whether he had the same interpretation or not??"
Excellent question. b/c Spinks just quoted the ol' must obey god instead of ceasar rule.
Angus left Spinks with something to mull over during lunch break: "What elements of your procedure cannot be changed in the future due to your understanding of the scriptures?" or something like that. I wonder how he'll slip out of that one.
I hope the commission will bring up the fact that "Watchtower's understanding of scripture is in a constant state of flux" as ScenicViewer just brought out. good point!
(I just tuned in so not sure yet what's been covered)
i have been mulling over the options that the wt has to take in regard to child abuse.
in my mind there are the following ones:.
1. overhaul their entire system, and apologize to all abuse victims.
manned by people who have the knowledge and expertise to handle the unique problems that JW victims face
remarkably good idea ... an ad hoc committee . .. an overdue idea.
I liked you before, Crow - now I respect you. :)
there's been quite a number newspaper articles quoted over the past week, but i would recommend this as a good summary of the first three days of the royal commission hearing in australia - complete with some scathing commentary.. apologies if this has been posted elsewhere, but have not seen this posted previously.. https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/news/law-crime/2015/08/01/royal-commission-examines-jehovah-witnesses-cover/14383512002194.
just one thing that is not quite right is that the article refers to joe bello as a narrogin elder.
the assualts took place while the victim was part of the narrogin congregation.
Thx pants. Printed in out and left it on kitchen table for JWwifey. Especially liked the last subheading's descriptive language. (made me get out my dictionary for some words though, lol)
I liked: "gormless elders"
"Men who demanded fealty from women"
"Solipsists who qualify their transgressions"
"men who must make a strategic choice to portray themselves as either bumbling or mendacious"
"cultures turned mouldy by self-perpetuating secrecy"
wish i could talk like that. shoulda gon to collage ;)
does anyone in the uk know any details about the above congregation?
it seems it was disbanded by the co specifically because of "lack of love" and members reassigned to other congregations in the reigate and crawley areas.. i've checked the charities commission web site and the charity was removed in may 2012.. http://apps.charitycommission.gov.uk/showcharity/registerofcharities/removedcharitymain.aspx?registeredcharitynumber=1066699&subsidiarynumber=0.
the cobe was a guy called rossiter (sp?
WMF: "drinking the koolaid " What I found - if you spike it a little, soon you won't have to give those stand in talks anymore. ;) Worked for me
