Posts by mochamint22

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Video Of JW's WItnessing

by Pig in

new cartoon, i hope this isn't considered spam but this one took me a while and i'd like to share it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_pqu0bln74.

one criticism (god, that word reminds me of the tms) was that my other videos weren't boring enough to match what it's really like as a jw, i think i've captured it a bit better in this video.. also, it's meant to be fairly non offensive because i hope jw's can take a sneaky peak.

mochamint22

Forgot to mention, loved your vid on going out in svc. THATS EXACTLY HOW IT IS FOR REAL!! i was rolling on that one. still laughing! That's how it is, you go for the BORING 15 minute meeting where they read the text for the day, then they put the car groups together and theres always the cliques that work together (of course i was one always left out or put w/someone i didnt wanna work with)

oh man, the one householder with the dog has happened to me sooo many times. i remember being so bugged out cause i didnt wanna be out there ANYWAY and then the person isn't even paying attn to what i was saying. can't believe I also was out bugging people. I remember people actually seeing us when we did street work and running the other way. I always hated when it was my turn to get out and catch someone at the bus stop or in their car in a PARKING LOT WITH THEIR WINDOW UP. yeeeah. hated it.

i felt bad for that kid too, thats happened to me too. running into someone from school. oh it was torture the next week.

good job on that vid and keep em comin!

moe

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Video Of JW's WItnessing

by Pig in

new cartoon, i hope this isn't considered spam but this one took me a while and i'd like to share it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_pqu0bln74.

one criticism (god, that word reminds me of the tms) was that my other videos weren't boring enough to match what it's really like as a jw, i think i've captured it a bit better in this video.. also, it's meant to be fairly non offensive because i hope jw's can take a sneaky peak.

mochamint22

You guys wanna see a hilarious video from the movie Friday about some witnesses? This is so freakin hilarious. What's funny is this lady really has a magazine in her hand. And not to give it away, but what she says at the end is freaking funny!! Check it out. Sorry I don't know how to pull the vid into this message so heres the link to you tube.

I don't know if that above link worked, if not, try this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ki801ccg9Yo

PS, can someone tell me how to put the little you tube vids in a message so people don't have to follow a link? thanks!

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What emotions have you been coping with?

by mochamint22 in

i wanted to dedicate this posts to just talking about the emotional scars we all have had or maybe still have.

was there a gap of time between you thinking you didn't want to continue and actually, consciously, deciding to no longer continue as on of jws?

it's amazing to me the strong hold this religion puts on you.

mochamint22

First, I wanna say thank you to everyone opening up. I can relate to all these emotions because I'm going through them now. It also amazes me how strong the hold of these emotions have on us. Even after many years may have passed.

Daringhart: I'm so sorry for what you're going through. I too feel like I've wasted, and continue to waste, so much time on all of this. I wasted many years, for example, NOT going to college that I'd probably have my PhD by now if I went to school right after I graduated high school(at 15 years of age). I too am ANGERED that I've been lied to for all this time yet I can relate to sd-7 spending hours studying, thinking that maybe I'll believe again.

Joey Jo-Jo: I can relate to how talking to your parents are a waste of time, like talking to a brick wall. I've voiced my doubts w/my mother and brought up to her early teachings by C T Russell and how these are direct contradictions to the teachings of the current organization. I specifically told her about C T Russell and the Mason symbols and his belief in pyramidology and him basing his "prophesies" on that "all seeing eye." You know what she said? She had never even heard of it and she said: "So, we all have things that we have to change when we come out of Babylon." I then reminded of her of how the organization is always talking about building a strong foundation of beliefs and reminded her of Jesus' parable of the houses built on weak and strong foundations. I asked her, "How can we believe so IMPLICITLY and teach others to believe in a religion that was built on a faulty foundation? Built on lies? If they are Jehovah's visible organization and he's guiding them in everything they do, why have their predictions and prophesies been wrong? On NUMEROUS occasions?" Deuteronomy 18: 22 says: " When the prophet speaks in the name of Jehovah and the word does not occur or come true, that is the word that Jehovah did not speak. With presumptuousness spoke it. You must not get frightened at him." (NWT) So does this NOT apply because of the "new light" they always talk about? The BIBLE is my authority, not some faulty man-made organization.

There is a very well articulated explanation of why JWs use of Proverbs 4:18 "light" is faulty. Check it out peeps. It was an interesting read:

http://www.cftf.com/comments/otanswer.html

The interesting thing to me, also mentioned by sd-7, is that I also never did an in-depth study of the teachings of JWs "putting it off." My putting if off, though wasn't because of fear of finding out something I didn't want to know. No, it was because I just took the GB at their word and just went with it. It's what I've been taught from infancy. All I've ever known. There was this brother that I remember would always tell me, "Prove it to yourself, Monique." Now, that of course meant studying and researching ONLY in publications from the GB because anything outside of that are sources from Satan. I wish I had done this earlier in my life, and sometimes I really regret getting baptized at 12. It was too young. At least it wouldn't have been so hard to walk away...I can't believe I've been suckered all this time...

moe

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My Experiences

by Former in

i'm a former ministerial servant and bethelite that left about six months ago.

my stay at bethel ended one year ago.

for those interested, this is my story:.

mochamint22

Former,

Do you mind me asking: How does someone that's in a "higher" position say, MS, elder, Bethellite or whomever, go from doing all this activity to just walking away so immediately? I guess I just always thought that it was mostly like people getting DFd or are inactive for a while that just don't go back for various reasons. Is it something gradual within you leading up to it, or was it just something that was so offensive that you just walked away? I read your experience about how you had questions and doubts since your studies of the older books and so forth, but I'm just asking generally or anyone else that has this experience, is it mostly inactive or DFd ones or is there just as equally number of people just walking away suddenly? Thanks guys for being so open and sharing!

Moe

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Why Is Toasting Wrong? Why Can't You Stand For The National Anthem?...

by minimus in

jw
friends

why can you stand for the pledge of allegiance?.

why is "whole" blood bad but "blood fractions" permissable?.

why is eating a bird on thanksgiving day a sin?.

mochamint22

I was always told- not researching for myself- that toasting was based on a superstition to scare away the demons. I don't know if that's true, it makes me want to research it now.

For the standing at the anthem, I never heard that you couldn't stand. I pretty much stood everytime to show respect but didn't put my hand on my heart. I must say, though, that I remember sitting a few times, I think it may have just been out of confusion. But I wanna say that "new light" revealed that you could now stand just don't put your hand on your heart.

Again, whatever the GB said was ok, we did, since they are the channel between us and Jah (so where does that leave jesus)

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Narcissistic mothers and JW,s

by jam in

my eldest son (40) and his jw mom (in here 60,s) can not have a. decent conversation before he storm off in anger.

all famlies have their problems, we are no different.

but for years.

mochamint22

With all due respect, Curtains, I can see what mrs.jones is saying. It feels like you're saying that it's my fault I feel the way I do about my moms bad behavior and its my problem so I need to go get therapy to deal with my problem. I on the other hand do understand what you mean about culture clashes. I am a firm believer that people are products of their environment. I don't however think that excuses anyone for abusing their children. When will this cycle be broken? I actually am in therapy to deal with the emotional trauma she's caused and continues to cause me. Understand where she came from and her own life experiences is why I keep going back to her to attempt to have a relationship. But I'm seeing now that I cant. She's 100% toxic. She in fact cut off her mother, labeling her as a habitual liar and toxic. Looks like the apple didn't fall far from the tree. But I'm breaking this cycle, I'm not gonna treat my girls like that. I'm going to teach them to be gentle, kind human beings that treat everyone as equals. I appreciate your POV as well as everyone else's.

moe

79

My Experiences

by Former in

i'm a former ministerial servant and bethelite that left about six months ago.

my stay at bethel ended one year ago.

for those interested, this is my story:.

mochamint22

Hi Further,

welcome! I just joined JWN a couple days ago and I've been spending a lot of time here because everyone is really nice and they aren't judgmental, which I appreciate. I'm so sorry to hear about your sister. When I was coming up, I looked into being emancipated so I could get away from my mother. I too home schooled because she wanted to keep me as shut off from the world as possible. And she certainly didn't like that my best friend was not a witness. I don't know that calling CPS or the media is the right move just yet. As others have suggested, make sure you have a true grasp of the situation and any proof would be invaluable before you make your move. I too am trying to understand why, when one wants to talk about and question earlier publications/writings from the society that you're told to just ignore that and its all about "new light" and so on and so forth. That's evading the issue and only puts more questions in my head. Thank you for relating your experiences, I too am very interested to know just how the "feel" of Bethel is. It seems like once people leave bethel, they leave "the truth" too and I'd really like to know what goes on there to make people walk away. I know of a brother that was at bethel for a couple years and then when he left bethel, he left the truth for like 20 years and then came back. then he went inactive again for like a year. What is it that makes us leave, come back, leave, come back. ugh! its a vicious cycle.

anyway, welcome again and thanks for sharing. please continue w/your experiences!

Moe

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wt worshiped Jesus

by TheLoveDoctor in

does anyonne know if there are any publications the newer the better of the wt chater since it was not until 1999 that worship of jesus was finally removed to simply state "arrange for and hold assemblies for religious worship;" .

the 1945 yearbook includes the charter in full.

part of the current charter states as follows:.

mochamint22

You should just forget about all that. There's been "new light" remember? The light gets brighter. Isn't there a Kingdom Melody that talks about the light getting brighter? speaking of kingdom melodies, I just found this amusing you tube vid. check it out. whats even funnier are all the JWs on there attacking this exJW

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIkfCpr7IQQ

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Narcissistic mothers and JW,s

by jam in

my eldest son (40) and his jw mom (in here 60,s) can not have a. decent conversation before he storm off in anger.

all famlies have their problems, we are no different.

but for years.

mochamint22

Yeah I'm definitely not talking about extras either. I too think that it is good to teach your kids responsibility. Reading all that information and narcissism traits sent a chill down my spine. thats totally my mom to the T. Here's some examples of the crazy things she has done:

My older daughter spent 2 weeks with her on vacation and she went to the state and told them she was now the custodial grandparent and got cash assistance and one random day I get some child support case papers in the mail saying that I owe several hundred dollars to the state. She got cash assistance for like 6 months when my daughter was with her for 2 weeks. I called her asking what the child support papers were about and she had some stupid response to me, saying she would pay for "half" of it. Then she called the child support case manager and gave him my SSN# and then the money got taken out of my paychecks to pay the state back. Yeah she didn't pay a damn dime. I thought committing fraud was a DFg offense???

When I started working at 14, she would go to the store, buy some crap and then come home telling me I owed her money. I didn't ask her to buy any of that stuff and told her to take it back, she said no and I better pay up. She would take every cent of my paycheck except $100. Being a teenager and working full time and getting 600-700 checks was like awesome money. Then to have to cash your check and only walk away with $100 after all your hard work, pissed me off. And she dared me to ask her what she was doing with my money.

She slandered against me to all the "friends" at the hall telling them all kinds of lies. She slanders against my little brother telling the friends that he stinks and never wants to take a shower. Telling them that my older brother caught him masturbating.

When shes mad at me, she talks crap to my 2 bros about me. When shes mad at my younger bro, she talks crap about him to me and my older bro, when shes mad at my older one, she talks crap to me and my little bro about it.

Anytime she 'helps' you, you'll never hear the end of it, even though you've paid her back and then some. One year when I got my fat tax return, she drove me to the bank and said, "how much are you going to pay me? I think $500 is good for a start." And what did I do? I got my ass out the car and withdrew $500 cash and gave it to her.

When I was on her Tmobile acct, she charged me half the bill, even though there were three people on the acct and the third person was paying 1/3rd of the bill- that was so that she didn't have to pay anything for her phone service.

Her throwing away my husbands passport just to be vindictive.

Her constantly "forgetting" her wallet so I had to shell out money if we ate out. Her putting crap in my pile of stuff at the store telling me to pay for it.

Whenever I get the guts to stand up for myself against her behavior, she starts "crying" telling me that no one cares about her and how I'm being disrepectful.

She thinks that she was the one that got me my current job because she sent me an email ad for a job that was with a totally different company but in the same industry.

Anytime I come in to some money, she asks for some or asks what I'm going to buy her.

Every year, I buy my favorite brother (my little bro) something. Couple years back, I bought him an Ipod cause he was dying for one and she refused to spend that much money for something for HIM. Then she hounded him and finally as "punishment" took it away. I told her to give it back to me then and she said, no i'm his parent so its mine now. Every game machine that came out, I bought for him cause she never wanted to buy him anything. Then turned around telling people she bought it to seem like the prize mother. I bought him a guitar for a few hundred bux one year and she made him take it back- I guess she didn't want him feeling too much love for me and she said that was too much money to spend on him. certainly not more than what he felt for her. then a couple months later, she "bought" him a guitar and then a month later told him he owed her the money for it.

Calling me a ho when I got pregnant w/my first child and calling her a bastard.

Her telling me that I'm being ridiculous because I am in the process of buying a home. Telling me I need to sign another contract at my apt. Why, she just can't stand the fact that I'm better off than she was at my age.

Telling me that I need to divorce my husband and then telling me that she isn't saying to divorce him. " Do I want you to divorce your husband? No, but he's not good for you (hes not a witness) and he's preventing you from being an active witness. so you need to get rid of him." She just can't stand the fact that no matter what happens, we love each other so much and always work it out and support each other. She can't stand the thought of me actually being happy in my marriage. No, she wants me to live her life. Wants me to be her clone. Divorced, alone, raising children alone.

Cutting me off and not talking to me for months and then sending me some stupid ass email asking me, "what's my phone number again? you know i dont call myself." just so she can start interaction with me again so she can torment me some more.

Anything that I buy and then let her borrow, she keeps it saying I bought it for her and dare me to say she's lying.

Anytime we do a biz transaction together, she changes the agreement and thats just my problem to deal with in silence. Anytime she does me a favor regarding money (which has only happened a couple of occasions) she has told me that I didn't pay her everything when I know I did and kept a record of my payments to her. So then I had to pay her extra couple hundred dollars just cause she said I didn't pay it when I did. The last time I did something financial with her, I set up electronic payments from my bank so she couldn't refute it and then she took offense to that saying that by that action, I'm saying I don't trust her and that she's a thief/liar. That was the last time I ever did and ever will do any type of business transaction with her.

I mean the list goes on and on, I could continue if anyone would like?

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What emotions have you been coping with?

by mochamint22 in

i wanted to dedicate this posts to just talking about the emotional scars we all have had or maybe still have.

was there a gap of time between you thinking you didn't want to continue and actually, consciously, deciding to no longer continue as on of jws?

it's amazing to me the strong hold this religion puts on you.

mochamint22

I wanted to dedicate this posts to just talking about the emotional scars we all have had or maybe still have. Was there a gap of time between you thinking you didn't want to continue and actually, consciously, deciding to no longer continue as on of JWs? It's amazing to me the strong hold this religion puts on you. I remember a chick on ANTM (America's Next Top Model) from AZ saying that she's a horrible example of a JW. Here's what she said quote:

"I'm a horrible example of what a Jehovah's Witness is supposed to be. I'm a fornicator, I'm a smoker, I curse like a sailor, and I don't go to church."

When I saw that I was first thinking, why in the world would she even say that on national television?! But it goes to show that she probably was still feeling guilty and the organization still had a hold on her mentally because she felt some obligation to defend them. Like she was letting everyone know that she was not representing them. Then I started thinking how I've just now been able to openly talk about being a witness.

Why is it that my fear in talking about being a witness isn't even present anymore now that I am inactive? When people would ask me about it, I'd always preface it by saying how I'm a bad example and something along the lines of it being a good way to be, it just wasn't for me. This lady at my current job was talking to another co-worker about JWs saying how she thinks theyre assholes for what they put their kids through and how she couldn't understand that way of life. I remember sitting there getting outraged that she was saying those things, thinking how ignorant she was and I even contemplated talking to my supervisor about her talking offensively about religion where others could hear her. Yeah this is just in the last year and I was INACTIVE! Then after I calmed down and reflected on it, I thought "wow, what a hypocrite i'm being. I'm not even an active witness" and i could identify with the things she was saying because they were all things I endured as a child.

So thing's I would like to discuss are, what were the transition of emotions you endured, how long did it take to come back to reality and feel some measure of normalcy, and did you feel like you wanted to just not even believe in god, religion, etc. because of what you went through? And for those that were born and raised in truth like me, how did you come to even know what "normal" feels like since it's all we've ever known?

Moe