thank you, thank you
I love to read things that are suposed to be just for elders
In general things that sisters are forbidden to read. Love the internet.
for those who have not seen it, i have posted my copy of the program for the 2010 kingdom ministry school for elders onto my blog.
here: http://marvinshilmer.blogspot.com/2011/01/2010-kingdom-ministry-school-program.html.
marvin shilmer.
thank you, thank you
I love to read things that are suposed to be just for elders
In general things that sisters are forbidden to read. Love the internet.
we've discussed a few potential reasons why the wt is promoting april 2011 as a month of special activity.
reasons include manipulating statistics, and trying to provide some kind of spark to increasingly apathetic and discouraged congregations.
i'm sure there are others i'm missing too, feel free to include those.
Mad Sweeney, I agree in some part.
But I think the goal of the governing body is the recruitment of new members, or that as many people as possible would hear the good news, to put it theocraticly, and the solidarity in the group is the bonus that comes with the preaching.
just caught that yet another branch office has closed in hawaii.. its getting to a point that there seems to be one closing almost one per month now.. is this the future of the wts.
why is this all happening ?.
the wts moving completely out of brooklyn is another big change for the organization.. maybe this is the eventual but gradual demise of the wts.
They use technology to print publications, they don't need as many people as in old days, and also because it is cost effective to print more in one place.
my latest fortune is at my finger tips... this is my nigerian new best friend... .
i have a palm v hand-held computer from which i am sending you this mail.
before my arrest, i went ahead to dispatch the sum of us$1 billion in cash under special arrangement into the custody of different offshore banks and private security and trustee companies for safe keeping abroad.
ha ha , I get those kind of e-mails, too.
i'm 75 years old and am confused about life and god.
all explainations seem made up by some religious person or some written book that doesn't make any sense to me.
why doesn't a god just let us know that he exist in some way that all people could understand.
I think you don't want to understand.
God descibes himself in the Bible as having humanlike characteristics and feelings like love, justice, anger etc. You see his material creation. What do you want more? How much more of a humanlike manner do you want Him to use to explain himself to you?
Can you imagine youself living forever? I'm sure you do. In this case you would see yourself eternal, with no end to your life. Why is it difficult to understand that God is eternal and has no beginning?
i know some couples that truly believe this.. what's your view?
do you believe there's a soulmate out there for you?.
yes, yes, yes, I believe - I want to believe
..., and while i usually contribute in a thread that's already been created, i thought this particular topic might warrant it's own.. like many of you, on friday i was persusing the "concerned elder speaks" thread about higher-ed and the gb's ross/rachel relationship with it, and a couple of posts caught my eye:.
room 215 - "that's it, boys; alienate the remaining elders, drive them to resign and exacerbate the shortage already underway.".
baltar447 - "it's like they want fewer elders and servants.".
I don't think this religion will self destroy. The people in charge, the governing body proved they can change their views, or their understanding, when they see something does not happen as they predicted. And if they survived after predicting that the end will come in 1975, they will survive anything, especialy that they are now very careful not to set any exact date or year.
I just hope they will loosen up a bit, not on morality but on stupid rules that have no biblical support.
About not having enough donations... they already reduced their costs by publishing the magazines only once a month. If they will change the hours for pioneers, there will be more who pioneer and they will not need to pay so many special pioneers. Many bethel familyes around the world have been reduced... so I think they know how to handle the money crisis, in case they really have one.
On the info war... are they really loosing it? I don't think so. It looks like they are trying to take advantage of the internet, there is the society's page, the jw.org page where anyone can download literature.
how many here have never been one of jehovah's witnesses?
there seems to be a common denominator of former witnesses who accuse the watchtower society of being a false organization.
what they crave is acknowledgment that their way is the best way.
@ brotherdan
Yes, I got your PM and I listened to the file. What can I say... I also feel that Jesus is kind of missing from this religion. I don't think we should worship Jesus, but I think he is present in the watchtower doctrine just in theory, he is not really taken as an example to be followed. His sacrifice is not considered enough for salvation, we need to add additional deeds in order to be saved... but this is another discution.
About the experiences the speaker talked about- with elders and circuit overseer and district overseer - I saw these kind of things in the congregations too, and it makes me very sad, to see elders who use their positions to get revenge, to persecute others, to think highly of themselves because they have one title or another... it's sad.
But I still have no intention to leave. The theoretical doctine of the organisation is in general true. I could never go to a religion who teaches trinity, or any kind of idolatry, and all the others reformed christian churches teach this. So at least the theological doctrine of this organisation gives me peace of mind. The faults and attitude of some people in this organisation drives me crazy...
I'm sorry to say but lately I've learned that to remain in this organisation you have to become a little shrewd. I'm in the process of learning how to be like that.... at the stage of where I don't always say what I really think - this got me into trouble some times in the past.
It's difficult and sometimes it's like a struggle to stay in the organisation, to not take into consideration and forget about all the issues that are not ok, maybe this is a trial the Bible speaks about as a burning among you that is happening to you for a trial in 1 Peter 4:12. So maybe that is what all this it, a trial. After all we don't have the trials that the first century christians had: to be tortured, given to lions, burned on crosses, maybe the trial to christians today is to stand and endure seeing the hypocrisy of some members of the congregation who might even have power and priviledges.
how many here have never been one of jehovah's witnesses?
there seems to be a common denominator of former witnesses who accuse the watchtower society of being a false organization.
what they crave is acknowledgment that their way is the best way.
What percentage still believe the WTBTS is God's organization and that they are in the truth...
... but commit a disfellowshipping offense by joining and posting on an apostate website...
... as if using a fake name means Jehovah doesn't know who they are and what they're doing?
I am sure Jehovah knows what I am doing but I don't think He considers this a disfellowshipping offense. I don't think that God considers it is a sin for me to express my thoughts in writting.
Some elders and some people at WT headquarters, though, might think that it is a sin to say what it is on your mind, but I don't agree. They are free to think what they want, I am free to do what I want as long as I don't commit a serious sin. And since when is writting down what you think a sin?
when the challenger exploded?.
i was dutifully going door to door to door, when a lady came to the door crying about the cahllenger.
she invited me in and i placed a set of magazines.
25 years ago... it was my first year of school, I was learning to read and write...