i am sick and tired of people putting down posters like the andersons!
they work hard to expose some things we might never have known about.
why some find fault with them, or ray franz before them, or maximus when he was here is beyond me.. be thankful for those that decide to come here and share what they know about this organization.. we get elders who are still in their positions and they share with us a lot of interesting news and perspectives.
Thank you Barbara Anderson for your announcements. It gives me hope that justice will prevail and the JW child molesters will be dealt with by law instead of by a "loving" judicial committee who cares more about the perpetrators than the victims. But, I suppose it's the perps who have the cash.
Personally, I'd like to see the JWs closed down. They are a dangerous cult who destroy families in the name of god.
Thanks again for being here!
satinka
andersonsinfo is reporting the following news about the "criminal charges and indictment of the watch tower society in australia" by taking some extracts from different parts of jehovah's witness, steven unthank's blog site, http://www.jwnews.net.
please go to the blog to understand the "indictment" and for detailed reading there is much more information found in a:.
pdf version of the 664 page document "the submission 2011" being the:.
Barbara Anderson posted (in part):
The Working with Children (WWC) Check involves:
-a national police records check
Broadly, the criminal offences of most significance for a WWC Check are:
-serious sexual offences
I see what the problem might be. The JWs have been secretive about sex offenders in their congregations. If background checks were carried out, much stuff would be shaken out from under the carpet. This would not bid well for the JWs.
Listener wrote:
As I live in Australia I have seen this law being taken very seriously. A problem that we have here is that the Government sets a law and expects everyone to toe the line, pretty much on a self compliance basis. It does not have the resources to police many of the laws that it sets and it is not until people start jumping up and down that they take further action. It is very costly and due to this they usually hope for the majority to comply and if one or two organisations/groups don't they are pretty proud that they have caught most people into abiding.
I suppose the JWs are counting that no one will check them out to see if they are actually compliant. They will pray and figure Jehovah will protect the child molesters. And he just might. After all, Jehovah is a child abuser himself. I have been told he had his son killed, after all. That sounds abusive to me.
satinka
so i was just browsing the june 15, 2011 (study edition) watchtower and came across this seemingly desperate article in the last two pages (29 & 30):.
a christian has a scriptural obligation to care for his family, and that includes providing for their material needs.
(1 tim.
So, what exactly has "spiritual value"? and in what order of priority?
satinka
the us embassy over ran, 12 kill in retaliation for the burning.
of the qur'an by that nut job here in the us.. a few questions, first of all the qur'an that was burn, was.
it the original copy, no.
Muslims believe in honor. If anyone disagrees with them, they seem to think they must preserve their honor at all costs. Usually, it ends in death of one side or the other. They take the view that if someone burns their holy book, it is a personal attack on them and they must preserve their Muslim honor.
The Baptist Minister thinks he is right to burn the Koran, after all “The Muslims are the Apostates and will burn in hell!” Conversely, the Muslims think they have the only right view, “The Christians are the Infidels and deserve to die!” With each religious group convinced they have the exclusive channel to “Truth” there can be no cultural growth.
Muslims and Baptists are not the only religions on the planet who have this mentality. As an ex-member, I know Jehovah’s Witnesses think similarly, too. Their philosophy is, “Anyone who is not a Jehovah’s Witness is going to die at Armageddon!” That’s why they go door-knocking — to gain converts and “save souls.” My childhood friend Vicky was Catholic and she declared openly, “You are going to burn in hell if you don’t go to my church!” Different words, same mentality.
I believe religions enable a “Dark-Ages” type of thinking and behavior.
satinka
Thanks for the clarity, Lil and Rick.
Much appreciated,
satinka
Hi Lovelylil,
If you know him personally, you might want to drop in on him just to see if he's okay. I am just concerned he might need a doctor if he is ungrounded like someone described.
Just my spidey-sense. Makes sense to look out for each other.
satinka
PublishingCult wrote:
He was/is an arrogant ass, lol. He left one cult of lies to start one of his own. You go give him a hug, though. He likes sycophants.
I'm not interested in being drawn into another belief since leaving the jws. One cult is enough per lifetime, thank you, PublishingCult.
I'm saying Rick is a human being. He may very well be anointed. Being anointed is not exclusive to the jws, as they would have us believe. But, Rick has become ungrounded after being disfellowshipped. That is because he set his roots in the jw cult, rather than on planet earth. Right now Rick needs help just as much as any other human being needs help who has become disillusioned by the JWs. The JWs have set us up to fail upon leaving. Rick is vulnerable right now, no matter how he "appears" to you or me.
Please don't judge him so adversely! That's all I'm saying.
satinka
my youngest sister is the only person in my jw family who has had any real contact with my husband and i and our baby.
for the first year she cut us off too but then after a while she seemed to realize how horrible it was and she opened up to us.. well, she is very easily influenced by the family and so she cut us off again.
she tried to feed me the line about it being for our own good blah, blah, blah.. here is an excerpt from how i replied:.
Now that we have left the organization, it is healthy for us to re-visit the rules and leave behind the ones that don't fit us.
It is time to re-write the rules to suit ourselves. That is what free will is all about!
Cheers,
satinka
If people can't or won't choose, then they cannot be "responsible."
Sheeple are not "responsible"... they are co-dependent, in this case, with the elders, or with the religion.
satinka
It's not Rick's fault. He was looking for an organization to "belong" to, then became disillusioned when the borg turned on him. He's just another casualty of the WT. Really, he needs our support and care.
Rick, please talk to your family doctor about getting some counselling. Go for a walk in nature. It will help you to get grounded. You may be "anointed" but you are still human, dear one. Get grounded.
Glentrevette, please call 911 and talk to someone about what you are feeling. You are important. You are a human being who wanted to trust in God. Unfortunately, a human organization wasn't the answer. Don't allow yourself to self-destruct.
Love
satinka
