Posts by dontplaceliterature

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Question for all you Current/Former Elders out there

by dontplaceliterature in

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the "situation"a brother and sister from my parents congregation committed adultry with one another.

he was single, she was married to another brother in the same hall.

her husband divorced her.

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Violia

I can't say that I've seen this happen more than on this occasion, but I can definitely see the SPITE that exisits in the congregation.

No one likes the victimized husband. He is a reptile. Still, the congregation talks about the offending pair WORSE THAN DOGS. They shouldn't be talking about it at all, but honestly, I can't blame the two that committed adultry. Sure, it was kind of a crummy way to go out.

She should have divorced her husband first before sleeping around on him, if she intended to leave him anyway. I can't imagine the embarassment of having been "cheated on". However, it is common knowledge that their marriage was a mess, and that he was completely insensitive, unloving, unromantic, unthoughtful, and backward homebody. She is adventurous, fun loving, and spirited. Worst possible combination ever. He married her when she was young and dumb, and she finally got up the nerve to go out on him. She just went about it the wrong way. Fo' sho'.

I told my mom that the only reason they were still disfellowshipped was because of the notoriety of the offense, and that it had nothing to do with forgiveness/repentance. The only reason they have not been reinstated yet is because certain self-righteous people in the congregation would make an issue out of it.

Loving organization, right?

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Assembly/Convention Accounting

by dontplaceliterature in

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just having had my circuit assembly recently, i felt that the expenses in a watchtower-owned building seemed extremely over-inflated.

over $9000 for two days.

there were approximately 750-800 in attendance each day.

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Just having had my Circuit Assembly recently, I felt that the expenses in a Watchtower-owned building seemed extremely over-inflated. Over $9000 for two days. There were approximately 750-800 in attendance each day.

I have seen some information on this forum in the past about the way that expenses are calculated for Assemblies.

If memory serves, there is some nomial rate per-publisher/attendee that is established and multiplied out. This determines the total expenses for the event, and has absolutely nothing to do with the real cost for utilities/maintenance.

Can anyone confirm this?

If so, does anyone have a .pdf copy for upload or e-mail of the Circuit Assembly Hall or District Assembly Accounting forms?

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Question for all you Current/Former Elders out there

by dontplaceliterature in

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friends

the "situation"a brother and sister from my parents congregation committed adultry with one another.

he was single, she was married to another brother in the same hall.

her husband divorced her.

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The "Situation"

A brother and sister from my parents congregation committed adultry with one another. He was single, she was married to another brother in the same hall. Her husband divorced her. The two offenders were disfellowshipped, but promptly re-married one another and have been attending meetings ever since. Approximately 2 years has passed, and as far as I know, they have not missed a beat meeting attendence wise.

I began to question my parents how long they would remain disfellowshipped in consideration of the scripture at 2 Corinithians 2:6,7:

"This rebuke given by the majority is sufficient for such a man, 7 so that, on the contrary now, YOU should kindly forgive and comfort [him], that somehow such a man may not be swallowed up by his being overly sad."

My mother then advised me that the reason they are disfellowshipped still is that they have not "done what The Elders have asked them to do." Now, why my mother would know this, is beyond me. My dad isn't even an Elder. But obviously, their being disfellowshipped for such a long time dispite their frequent presence has become a topic of conversation among members of the congregation.

I asked her what it was exactly they "had not done." She said that The Elders had advised the offending pair to write an apology letter to the vicimized husband. I asked my mother where the scriptural command for such an action was, and I just got a blank look.

The Question

In this circumstance, where an active member of the congregation has "cheated" on their believing spouse with another active member of the congregation, does The Watchtower Society require such a letter of apology be written as evidence of repentance on the part of the offending pair, or is this just some fabrication by the local Body of Elders?

Also, if this is a requirement for reinstatement to the congregation after such an offense and subsequent disfellowshipping, is their written direction of such? Is it in the elder's manual (I did not see it), or in a letter from The Branch?

Now, I'm not saying I don't personally feel it would be appropriate to send such a letter to the victimized ex-spouse, but, I dont' really see how the organization could mandate such a thing based on Scripture.

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Wasted day at Watchtower Headquarters.

by Philadelphia Ponos in

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i was under the impression that the watchtower headquarters in brooklyn contained all the literature in every language.

well imagine my surprise when after traveling all the way to new york and burning about $50 on cab fare that the only book they had in the langauge i needed was a songbook.

if literature in foreign languages are stored in brooklyn, where else are they kept in the u.s?.

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I believe a lot of the foreign literature is printed in Great Britain, and has to be special ordered from there. Go to your local Kingdom Hall and request whatever it is you are looking for.

Some of the stuff I have says it was printed there.

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A lightning fast POLL: Two questions about CONVERSION

by Terry in

1. were you yourself converted from a religion other than jw to becoming a jw by door to door work?.

2.did you succeed in converting somebody in your own door to door work causing them to change religions to the point of baptism?.

quick answers, please.. .

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1 NO

2 NO

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Anyone know where leavingwt is? Haven't seen him here for awhile.

by whereami in

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hope he's ok. .

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Yeah, I dont' blame him either. As awesome as it is, and as much information there is here, and as many friendships that can be formed here, this forum still has a lot of negative energy.

I'm pretty new (3 months old), and have already considered stepping away from it for a while.

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One Hour With The Beast (17 days)

by Este in

let us pray this prophecy is being fulfilled........ 12and the ten horns that you saw mean ten kings, who have not yet received a kingdom, but they do receive authority as kings one hour with the wild beast.13these have one thought, and so they give their power and authority to the wild beast.14these will battle with the lamb, but, because he is lord of lords and king of kings, the lamb will conquer them.

also, those called and chosen and faithful with him [will do so].. .

commencng from march 19th, 17 days later.......libya?.

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Looks like you use the same type of reasoning as the Watchtower, Este...way to pull shit out of thin air.

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JWs pronounce the popular version of Gods name

by Alfred in

growing up jw, the elders in my congo never wasted an opportunity to remind the youth in my congo that we should always endeavor to do what is correct in gods eyes, not what the world considers to be popular.

this would cover just about every subject (clothing, music, sports, entertainment, etc.)..

however, when it comes to the one thing that should probably matter the most to all jay dubs (correctly pronouncing gods name), popularity takes precedence over correctness.

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Jesus used God's name, Jehovah, in his ministry and demonstrated a correct pronunciation of it, but he did more than that to make God's name manifest to his apostles

WOW

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JWs pronounce the popular version of Gods name

by Alfred in

growing up jw, the elders in my congo never wasted an opportunity to remind the youth in my congo that we should always endeavor to do what is correct in gods eyes, not what the world considers to be popular.

this would cover just about every subject (clothing, music, sports, entertainment, etc.)..

however, when it comes to the one thing that should probably matter the most to all jay dubs (correctly pronouncing gods name), popularity takes precedence over correctness.

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Thanks for the reference Thomas! I don't remember ever hearing that before.

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JWs pronounce the popular version of Gods name

by Alfred in

growing up jw, the elders in my congo never wasted an opportunity to remind the youth in my congo that we should always endeavor to do what is correct in gods eyes, not what the world considers to be popular.

this would cover just about every subject (clothing, music, sports, entertainment, etc.)..

however, when it comes to the one thing that should probably matter the most to all jay dubs (correctly pronouncing gods name), popularity takes precedence over correctness.

dontplaceliterature

Take a clipboard out to the sidewalk and ask people this one simple question:

"Can you tell me who Jehovah is?"

If more than 1 in 4 say that it is God's name I would be SHOCKED. It's probably less than 1 in 10.

Even fewer would know who YHWH is.

I'm not arguing that USE of the name is CORRECT. I'm just arguing that if you are going to call God by the accepted cultural name, like it or not, Jehovah is still it. People just don't use the name "Yaweh."