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  Is the Governing Body trolling us?

  by kneehighmiah in

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  i'm starting to believe the bethel higher ups are trolling us.

  the outright contradictions and stuff like overlapping generation is too ridiculous.

  calling out the harold camping when we did the same thing.

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  LOL
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  Jesus washing feet in underwear or naked?

  by John_Mann in

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  john 13:4,5. got up from the evening meal and laid aside his outer garments.

  and taking a towel, he wrapped it around his waist.. after that he put water into a basin and started to wash the feet of the disciples and to dry them off with the towel that was wrapped around him.. .

  the wt "translates" himatia as outer garments but some other translations says just clothes.. if he were wearing just an underwear, why wrap a towel around the waist?

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  John 13:4,5

  got up from the evening meal and laid aside his outer garments. And taking a towel, he wrapped it around his waist.

  After that he put water into a basin and started to wash the feet of the disciples and to dry them off with the towel that was wrapped around him.

  The WT "translates" himatia as outer garments but some other translations says just clothes.

  If he were wearing just an underwear, why wrap a towel around the waist? Usually one just wrap a towel around the waist when naked.

  Even if he were in underwear it's a very strange situation...
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  Why doesn't god do anything tangible now?

  by punkofnice in

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  i was always told that god did loads of stuff that was evidence of his existance.

  ususally very brutal things too (b#st@rd).. jesus walked on water and raised the dead we are told.. it seems to me also that the older the story, the more exaggerated it is...y'know...talking snake......global flood.. there are those that claim god speaks to them now and they alone 'know' it.

  (cuckoo!!!).

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  If you just think in how much sacrifice and time you give to god when you was a JW, the only excuse for such incompetent god is his non existence.
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  Interesting comments from a certain JW forum...

  by konceptual99 in

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  these are snippets from a thread on change to circuit boundaries in the us please don't assume a single narrative here.. well, we just had a letter tonight saying that the branch has decided to dissolve 2 of the ohio circuits, one being ohio circuit #3 which i am in.

  ohio circuit #3 will continue to exist until the new service year in september, at which point the congregations making up our circuit will be redistributed to other current circuits.

  we'll be moving to ohio circuit #8.. interestingly, our sister congregation with whom we share the same hall was assigned to a completely different circuit, along with a lot of others we are used to seeing at our assemblies.

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  I accept corrections

  Reminds me The Shinning.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjdgXqKjHvY
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  Why do so many exJWs promote Watchtower lies and cover-ups?

  by Fernando in

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  several footnotes in the nwt correctly define apostasy as "unfaithfulness".. that is spiritual unfaithfulness/adultery/fornication/prostitution/harlotry.. in scripture the jews were called (spiritual) prostitutes (37 times in ezekiel chapters 16 and 23).. they claimed a relationship with the god of abraham.. yet they lusted after other gods.. and they had frequent wanton spiritual intercourse with these gods.. to cover-up their own lewd apostasy the watctower lyingly redefines the word to mean a dissenter (against the watchtower).. anyone who dissents is labelled an apostate.. ray franz discovered their apostasy.. he dissented.. he exposed their spiritual harlotry in detail (isocf and coc).. they lyingly labelled him an apostate.. and many if not most exjws say this is all fine.. even worse, many exjws proudly wear the label.. to show their proud support of watchtower lies and cover-ups.. how sad....

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  Atheist is a label from the theists too; capitalist is a label from the comunists; Pagan from the christians; etc...

  Almost every antagonic label comes from the side that uses propaganda.

  Does your side label the opponents?
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  Resurrection without a soul that survives death.

  by Pronger1 in

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  one thing (among many) that always bothered me about jw teachings is what happens to the soul when we die.

  sure god could be capable of creating a body and implanting it with all of our life experiences an memories.

  but how would not be a just a clone instead of being actually us?

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  They don't admit but they believe in a inanimate soul after death. A kind of backup survives death and keep frozen like an embryo. They say this frozen backup are in Jehovah's memory.

  The most bizarre thing it's not to realize you are a clone if you are ressurected. But in JW worldview it's allowed to Jehovah make a clone of yourself even when you're alive.

  This doctrine is absolute nonsense if you want to be "bible based".

  But in real life I think our minds (and everything else) can be in some way stored in the spacetime matrix. If we could use quantum entanglement to particles in the past that once formed the pattern of our brains I think we could copy any brain\mind ever existed.
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  Read a tribute to Ray and Cynthia Franz and leave your condolences at this webpage:

  by AndersonsInfo in

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  a webpage tribute to cynthia & ray can be found at http://www.commentarypress.com/.

  on the bottom of that webpage is a place that you can leave your condolences and thoughtful commentsfor the families of cynthia and ray.. for more information about cynthia's death, see http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/270338/1/cynthia-franz-died-december-29-2013#.utl16zdnbl8.

  barbara and joe.

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  I'm free from WT thanks to CoC of Raymond Franz.
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  Christians please answer something for me

  by confusedandalone in

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  or should i say some things.... reading over another thread and a number of other threads i have to ask, why are we making excuses for jesus / god.. how can you fathom and all powerful god who created the universe and all the laws that govern it was not capable of:.

  1. making sure the proper pronunciation of his name is not available.

  2. that all his teaching are not preserved in an easy to discern manner so that ther is no confusion.

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  I was a born again christian (during 4 weeks) after my exit from WT.

  But I can wear my rusty christian armor and my big shiny faith shield sometimes.

  But don't take my speech as a sattire, christians really believe and "think" in this way.

  It's useless to discuss with people like that, they don't want know about anything and just want some huge attention due to the lack of attention from their GOOOOD. It's an interesting state of conscience just like a synthetic LSD. You really feel special and confident when you act like a born again christian zealot. Christians are addicted to this brain sensation and can't do nothing to stop it. It's creepy when you think people with power in hands are addicted to this stuff.
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  Christians please answer something for me

  by confusedandalone in

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  or should i say some things.... reading over another thread and a number of other threads i have to ask, why are we making excuses for jesus / god.. how can you fathom and all powerful god who created the universe and all the laws that govern it was not capable of:.

  1. making sure the proper pronunciation of his name is not available.

  2. that all his teaching are not preserved in an easy to discern manner so that ther is no confusion.

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  Jesus give me answer for the existence of evil. And He spoke with me when I studied the chemistry of atoms. The perfect design and the interaction of particles proves to me God have no connection with evil. When I see the wonders of quantum reality I know evil does not exist, because God have a Master Plan for all of us. Someday God will erase all memories we have about evil and will distort time and space where bad things happened and no evil will reach our hearts. God will erase evil from every spacetime intersection of this universe. There's a prophecy about that in revelation book. But one must have faith in The Blood.
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  What's the next big organizational change you predict could happen?

  by Island Man in

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  yadda yadda 2 predicted a change in the bookstudy arrangement.

  what future changes do you predict could/would happen?.

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  I always thought about some drastic change in field service, but now I think it will never change (stop) because is a Sisyphus task.

  I don't think they will change anything about the blood. The doctrine already is a mess and almost every JW knows it's already a kind of conscience.

  I think they must change the 144K doctrine, there's no way to go on with that. They will never speak again about the trumpets and conventions, that's so embarassing. The entire revelation book is a hot potato.

  I think they are heading to a more cultish form than a mainstream one. And the reason beyond that is the GB 2.0 wants to be cult rock stars. And will be worse when they completly leave Brooklin.