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  Gay MS??

  by andysmiles in

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  about me, i am being raised in a jw family.

  all of my family expect for one aunt, who had left but not disfellowedshiped thankly, are in jw.

  my father is an elder and so is my grandfather.

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  There's no Holy Spirit.

  This is the reason why a gay or an atheist can be appointed as a MS or an elder. Very simple if you think about it.
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  "Gospel Writing" -An Excellent Book

  by metatron in

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  "gospel writing" by francis watson is an excellent book that examines (across 600+ pages) the process by which the gospels were written and the process by which they came to be accepted as canonical (as holy writ).. that's really a main point of the book - that there were many written gospels used and quoted by early christians and the 4 we have today were only accepted as 'word for word' inspired thru time as believers came to think of them that way.. a quote: "no religious, philosophical, or literary text enters the world with the label "canonical" already attached.

  canonical status is a matter not for authors but for readers; it arises not from composition but from usage.

  " (page 3).

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  So is the WT right when it says don't waste time reading the bible because you won't fine the truth the real truth? No.

  The WT doesn't follow the Sola Scriptura.

  Remember too that Mark, Matthew, Luke and John did not actually write the books that bear their names.

  Probably they never existed at all. The twelve apostle is related to the 12 stages (months) of the sun (Jesus), they are part of the Deus Solus myth just like the Zodiac.
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  Most interesting chat with an annointed JW today

  by A.M. Number 1 in

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  we sat in a mc donalds talking for the last 2 hours.

  she made some very interesting claims like:.

  god magically takes thoughts from her head and puts them in the watchtower magazine.

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  John_Mann

  When I was still in I questioned an old annointed lady how she knew she was part of 144k, she told me a story about buying a pair of shoes to work in FS with 50% off.

  She take the discount as a sign of favour from Jehovah.

  When I heard about F. Franz and his talking shoes I reminded of her. LOL
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  Anyone Here Used to Fear Persecution?

  by kneehighmiah in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i was thinking today about how i no longer have to fear the attack of satan against the jws.

  i used to fear being rounded up and beaten by mobs.

  seeing my family tortured.

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  John_Mann

  I can relate to all posts of this thread! I remember thinking in plans to how hide literature and have secret meetings and field service. I remember I listened to some brother who was a door salesman in persecution time, and he tried to sell salt for a very expensive price so people would be asking why the salt was so expensive and then giving opportunity to preach something crazy about the expensive salt related to the horsemen of revelation...

  Can you imagine a lunatic selling expensive salt at your door and then talking about mythological horsemen?

  WT loves to mess up with the mind of innocent children.
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  Tomorrows World - Sister Religion to Jehovahs Witnesses?

  by lostlantern in

  1. social
  2. current

  http://www.tomorrowsworld.org/welcome.shtml.

  my husband and i watched a sermon today and it was eerily familiar, very weird.

  go to this website and look at their magazines, twins i swear!

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  This United Church of God is just a copycat of WT!

  The headlines, speech, even the doctrines like Anglo-saxon "rulership"...
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  Which of the SEVEN stages of post JW behavior are you in right now?

  by Terry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  1. they done me wrong.

  2. i'm depressed.

  3. i'm gonna act like an apostate (smoke, drink, drugs, sex, outrageous behavior).

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  John_Mann

  8- Give up trying to forget my JW past.

  For those who are out it's not needed to consider JWism a complete bad thing, I view it as a culture (no pun! LOL).

  In these days with plenty online information, I doubt if it's necessary some "offline" activism. The people who are now inside WT are practically those who want to be there. If they not want to be there they will find a way to discover the TTATT. The i-want-to-believe is a powerful effect.

  Of course I want the extinction of WT, I want it turns to be just a curiosity in history.

  I'm a born-in out since 2006 and even now I perceive my thought pattern is something molded by the JW world.

  I think I got rid of most bad JW mentality. But I will always have the need to know what this world is about. I just can't act like most people and just not think about fundamental questions of existence. Once I thought I knew the truth of everything, now I really want to know if there's a truth at all.

  Religion it's not a serious or valid way to search for answers.

  I think science, philosophy and art are the right trinity to our quest.

  Philosophy provide us the ability to make the right questions.

  Science tries to answer the right questions.

  Art give us motivation and some "mojo" hard to explain. In my world view I put religion into art circle. I do not regard religion itself as a valid tool, but it's valid as an expression of art.
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  The bible "never" says that Jesus was a "virgin" so he could have been married?

  by booker-t in

  1. watchtower
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  i have always wondered what if jesus and mary magdeline were married?

  how would it effect or change many christians/catholics/jws/etc mindset on marriage and virginity.

  if jesus was indeed married it would prove to me that he was human and we do not have to beet ourselves up for having human feelings.

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  Jesus can be anything you like.

  There's nothing wrong or right about Jesus.

  Jesus lacks something called falsifiability.

  Go and be happy with a married Jesus.
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  Trinitiarian "proof-text" John 20:28 has some problems for "Trinitarians"

  by booker-t in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  all through my years as a jws and after i have always wondered about john 20:28 where thomas says "my lord and my god" to jesus.

  i just could not find a suitable answer for this text to disprove the trinity doctrine.

  i really never swallowed the jws intrepretation of "shock" by thomas something like "oh my god" but at the same time i had a gut feeling trinitarians were hiding something about this verse.

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  In a christian point of view I think the trinitarian doctrine is far superior because:

  1) the trinitarian view encompass the unitarian, because it have perfectly the Father-Son relationship. The roles this two persons of Trinity it's not related to their substances. Two adult humans non related to each other can build a relationship as father and son, but it's not implied that the father role is a superior human or adult.

  2) Jesus was not exactly the Son God when on earth, because he was a lowered (under the angel status) version of Son God (no man can see God). So is consistent to him speak about the Father God as being superior. In a role relationship a son always take the father as superior, like a pupil and a teacher.

  3) There's a unvenial sin regarding the Holy Spirit. Even in doubt, what is more risky? Consider the Holy Spirit as a person or just like an irrational force?

  The trinity concept makes the bible less inconsistent. Because it explains all the passages refering a clearly hierarchical relationship between a father and a son and all passages clearly trinitarian, like the Holy Spirit having feelings. Trinitarians have no problems with texts about father-son relationship, but unitarians have a lot of trouble with trinitarian texts.

  I do agree with the more consistent view of Trinity, and I'm not a christian anymore.
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  Have you heard Judge Rutherford give a sermon?

  by Terry in

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  the phonograph records recorded by judge rutherford have been uploaded to the internet archives.. you can stream them and listen.. https://archive.org/search.php?query=creator%3a%28j.%20f.%20rutherford%29.

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  Wow Old Goat!

  You must be very ancient of days...

  Take care!
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  The Year 4014

  by snowbird in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i will turn 61 years old this coming november.. i will turn 2,061 years old in november of 4014.. http://www.worldtimeserver.com/calendar.aspx?y=4014.

  according to ecclesiastes 3:11, the concept of eternity is part of our makeup.. it's mind-boggling to think about it.. sylvia.

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  I can bet somewhere in the world this year is 4015 (or near).

  Even the time counting is relative.