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  What is the purpose of life?

  by slimboyfat in

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  while reading the magazines the other day it occurred to me that jws never really had a very good answer to that question.

  because it was aimed at young people and it said something along the lines, "if you believe in god you have a purpose, but if you don't believe in god your life has no purpose or meaning".

  i think that is a faulty analysis of the situation.

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  John_Mann

  Ruby456
  now I would call this the developed imagination at work.

  The AMH with only Nefesh had imagination too. But is a kind of primitive one. It didn't had introspection and conscious intention and a rational sense of self. If you read about Bicameralism you'll find more explanations about what I mean.

  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicameralism_(psychology)

  In our minds we still have the split mind, you can perceive a clear dialogue between two intentions inside your mind. Psychology calls it introversion and extroversion. You perceive your introversion as a voice, but you don't assume this voice is external from you but is the voice of your consciousness.

  The pre-adamic humans didn't had this internal voice of introverted self. But they perceived this voice coming from externally. And they had in their vision field a hallucinating figure who the voice came from. They just did what this external figures dictated to them. They were assumed to be gods.
  
  

  In this notions of God enable individuals to adopt a pov from above, from below via satan and his demons, from in between via spirits of dead ancestors ...

  Yes! This is exactly one of the advantages Psyche brought to humans. This new capacity of communication is possible due to a kind of functionality of Psyche (soul) called Pneuma (spirit).

  The spirit of man is a kind of "antenna" of the soul wich enables humans to receive influences in a new way from external beings (like other humans, good and bad pure spirits and God). The Pneuma is a center of external intentions influencing the free will of Psyche.

  and this would indeed confer evolutionary advantages.

  Indeed. That's why there's only one kind of human.
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  What is the purpose of life?

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  while reading the magazines the other day it occurred to me that jws never really had a very good answer to that question.

  because it was aimed at young people and it said something along the lines, "if you believe in god you have a purpose, but if you don't believe in god your life has no purpose or meaning".

  i think that is a faulty analysis of the situation.

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  John_Mann

  cofty
  Utter bollocks is what it is. Believe any sort of fantasy you like but please stop calling it scientific or even logical.

  I didn't say this knowledge is scientific (it can't be) but is philosophical.

  And internally there's logical consistency in this system.
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  What is the purpose of life?

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  while reading the magazines the other day it occurred to me that jws never really had a very good answer to that question.

  because it was aimed at young people and it said something along the lines, "if you believe in god you have a purpose, but if you don't believe in god your life has no purpose or meaning".

  i think that is a faulty analysis of the situation.

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  John_Mann

  Well, no you don't. This is where knowing what you are talking about comes in handy. No such thing actually exists. At best, you have the Aristotlean view of a natural body with the capacity to act because of a soul.

  Yes, this is the Thomistic view on soul. Is based on Aristotle indeed.
  

  http://www.cts.org.au/2000/soulsandspirits.htm
  

  You've already declared that humanoids can act without souls, so you shot your own argument in the foot.

  I didn't said that. I said animals, humanoids and anatomically modern humans can live without the immortal soul (Psyche) but not without the mortal souls (vegetative and sensitive or Anima).

  Anyway every human alive today has a Psyche.

  
  
  
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  What is the purpose of life?

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  while reading the magazines the other day it occurred to me that jws never really had a very good answer to that question.

  because it was aimed at young people and it said something along the lines, "if you believe in god you have a purpose, but if you don't believe in god your life has no purpose or meaning".

  i think that is a faulty analysis of the situation.

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  John_Mann

  Crom laughs from his mountain!
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  What is the purpose of life?

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  while reading the magazines the other day it occurred to me that jws never really had a very good answer to that question.

  because it was aimed at young people and it said something along the lines, "if you believe in god you have a purpose, but if you don't believe in god your life has no purpose or meaning".

  i think that is a faulty analysis of the situation.

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  John_Mann

  Either way, you've also presented no logic that leads to the conclusion of "souls exist".

  Yes I agree. But I was not talking about logic in that sense.

  I was talking about logical consistency inside philosophical systems about soul.

  But there's logical consistency in Lord of the Rings and Harry Potter and that's alone doesn't prove they have real existence.

  But logical consistency is required to systems that harbour truth. JWism, for example, doesn't have internal logical consistency. That's what I was talking about. There's logical consistency in several philosophical theories of soul.

  You've simply said your god gave some animals souls and then forced them into bestiality and incest. Hardly logic.

  Well that's not what I meant. I accept the Thomistic theory of soul.

  In short it says that there's 3 kinds of soul.

  The first one is the vegetative soul, found in plants and simple forms of live.

  The second is the sensitive or animal soul. Animals have both vegetative and sensitive souls. In Jewish theology is called Nefesh Habehamit. In Latin is called Anima.

  These two souls are material, not made directly by God but evolved from matter created directly by God in the Big Bang (BTW this elegant scientific theory was created by a Catholic priest Georges Lemaitre). They're not independent from body (Soma) and are mortal. I think computer software someday will be equivalent to the highest level of these mortal souls.

  The anatomically modern humans evolved into the highest level of the animal soul. Acquiring by evolution IMHO, what is called in a psychology theory, the bicameral mind.

  One of these anatomically modern humans with bicameral mind in some point in recent history received the third kind of soul.

  This soul is created directly by God, since the first one to the every human being conceived now. This soul is immortal and is named Psyche in Greek (equivalent to Neshamah in Jewish theology). The first anatomically modern human who received this soul is Adam and his offspring received this soul directly by God since then. His first sons and daughters married another anatomically modern humans without Psyche, but it was not bestiality because they shared the same kind of bodies and mortal souls. From this point the humans with Psyche had a evolutionary advantage and the other humans became extinct (by killing and/or assimilation).

  There's Pneuma too but it's another discussion...

  Basically that's my view on soul.
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  What Happens to Adam and Eve?

  by Cold Steel in

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  in jw theology, what happens to adam and eve?

  are they resurrected and become heirs to paradise on earth?

  or will they become two of the heavenly class?

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  John_Mann

  Reading the Genesis one can say they were repentful.
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  What is the purpose of life?

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  while reading the magazines the other day it occurred to me that jws never really had a very good answer to that question.

  because it was aimed at young people and it said something along the lines, "if you believe in god you have a purpose, but if you don't believe in god your life has no purpose or meaning".

  i think that is a faulty analysis of the situation.

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  John_Mann

  The existence of soul is a serious problem examined by philosophy. Like you or not.

  I know you don't recognise any other philosophical method rather than the scientific one.

  https://global.britannica.com/topic/soul-religion-and-philosophy

  The philosophy branch that studies the soul is called Metaphysics.

  And Philosophy of mind approach the concept of soul in the Mind-body problem. Neuroplasticity shows that the mind itself can control the material organisation of the brain.
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  What is the purpose of life?

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  while reading the magazines the other day it occurred to me that jws never really had a very good answer to that question.

  because it was aimed at young people and it said something along the lines, "if you believe in god you have a purpose, but if you don't believe in god your life has no purpose or meaning".

  i think that is a faulty analysis of the situation.

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  John_Mann

  In which case we are much closer than I first thought but your definition is still incomplete. It doesn't allow for logical deduction.

  I used the generic term because there's a branch that only accepts or includes the acceptance of logic (philosophy). That's called Logical Positivism.

  There's a new term being used interchangeable to classical (from Comte) Positivism: Scientism.

  I don't think Cofty and Viviane are logical positivists because the philosophy of soul is presented with logical consistency and both deny the logical conclusion of the soul.

  They even can't admit the soul it's not a subject for the scientific method.

  They clearly advocates the universal use of scientific method and don't recognise any other form of knowledge as valid.

  I wonder what kind of Materialism they accept...
  
  
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  What is the purpose of life?

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  while reading the magazines the other day it occurred to me that jws never really had a very good answer to that question.

  because it was aimed at young people and it said something along the lines, "if you believe in god you have a purpose, but if you don't believe in god your life has no purpose or meaning".

  i think that is a faulty analysis of the situation.

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  John_Mann

  I think the ultimate crazy conclusion from positivism is the Eliminative Materialism.

  Eliminative Materialism says the human consciousness does not exist because it cannot be scientifically verified.

  So to eliminativists God is not the only delusion but the human consciousness is a delusion too.

  That's the logical conclusion if materialism is the only system you accept.

  Before someone says my definition of Eliminative Materialism is wrong, here's a link:

  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eliminative_materialism
  
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  What is the purpose of life?

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  while reading the magazines the other day it occurred to me that jws never really had a very good answer to that question.

  because it was aimed at young people and it said something along the lines, "if you believe in god you have a purpose, but if you don't believe in god your life has no purpose or meaning".

  i think that is a faulty analysis of the situation.

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  John_Mann

  Personal purpose in life can be scientifically verified as valid?

  Really?