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If you were a Witness, when did you realize the Governing Body was apostate?

by matt2414 in

13 years ago

for more than 30 years i believed everything that came from the watchtower society, especially since i lived at bethel for a while and i knew a lot of the gb members, who to me seemed intelligent and personable.

at the beginning, the emphasis was on the bible, the kingdom, jehovah and jesus.

but gradually over time, there would appear an elephant in the room that no one seemed to talk about, such as the change in the understanding of "generation.

13 years ago

John_Mann 13 years ago

The oddness of the books of Daniel and Isaiah, I still remember the book study meetings (now extinct) with those books and I just couldn't buy all that stuff. Plus when my mother gone through an surgery and the elders were not concerned about blood issues and seems to be very busy to gives us some assistence, as a born-in I felt a very lack of love from the elders.

Then, in the beggining of 2006 I did an independant research in the evil internet about the other religions views on who/what is the Babylon from the bible, andthem I was directed to a link about the WT views on wikipedia and there was a link to a man: Ray Franz. And the rest is history...

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Evidence for God...

by tec in

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13 years ago

life come from the living, and this is a universe of life.

his teachings are truth.

which is why i weight it against the truth of the teachings (and one other thing that i will get to).

12 years ago

John_Mann 13 years ago

{To begin with, allow me to state that Christ is the basis of my entire faith.}

So you mean the BIBLE is the basis of your entire faith b/c you just know Jesus Christ due to existence of the bible. There is no Jesus Christ outside the bible.

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The true, unsung hero of the Bible....

by Unlearn in

13 years ago

my undisputed hero of the bible is known by several names, depending on who you talk to...devil, satan, lucifer, etc.. read it, and you'll find that he was the only one who really stood up for you.. he asserted that you could make decisions for yourself...and told you the very real truth that, just because the piece of meat in your chest stops thumping, you positively do not 'die'.. he was your hero.

he stood up to a daddy-maniac and said, 'just because you made us doesnt mean you have the right to tell us what to do.

i thought we were free?'.

13 years ago

John_Mann 13 years ago

Certainly Satan/Devil/Lucifer/Azazel is the bible's hero!

If all that BS was true, I'd take the devil's side. In my heart at least b/c if all of that was true, Satan and his fellas would die by the hands of Jehovah, the dictator. I would try to life under Jehovah's laws as long as I could, but in a way or another one day I'd give a S#%t to Jehovah and die like a free man!

Ave Satan!

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Can anyone tell me what the cover article was of the August 1, 1991 Watchtower?

by donuthole in

13 years ago

can anyone tell me what the cover article was of the august 1, 1991 watchtower?

i don't have the cd-rom..

13 years ago

John_Mann 13 years ago

Sure! All the adult people in the KH always said I won't even start the fifth grade! So there we are!

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Can anyone tell me what the cover article was of the August 1, 1991 Watchtower?

by donuthole in

13 years ago

can anyone tell me what the cover article was of the august 1, 1991 watchtower?

i don't have the cd-rom..

13 years ago

John_Mann 13 years ago

And I was becoming a non baptized publisher and giving my first speech in the MS. I was 9 years old.

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Lyman Swingle at the Bethel Breakfast table - What fun!

by Dogpatch in

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13 years ago

https://vimeo.com/41590728.

how in the world do you embed videos on this site?.

13 years ago

John_Mann 13 years ago

{Its a bit of a surprise that they, the hierarchy, should think it beneficial to show to the modern day rank and file the JWs from several decades ago zealously preparing to go round telling everyone the end is just a few months away, maybe just two or three years away, certainly no more than that.}

Exact! I think that underline paradox makes the place alarm something must be very wrong. When I was a true believer, sometimes I'd that feeling and it was triggered by several things/situations we experience inside the Tower. At that time I could not know what was wrong, but there was something.

Strangely I still feel a kind of that feeling but way more subtle, I think that's the primal engine of our minds. That's what make us always desire to go on and see what lies beyond the road curve, it's a feeling of pure untouchable mystery. Sadly that feeling it's used by religions to mislead in thinking it's a kind of God or something external to us. It's not external just a sense that's shared by everyone in a way or another.

The best definition I ever heard about that, it's the concept of void from buddhism, the Sunyata. I think the concept of void/nihil/emptyness it's the closely we can get from it. An effing mysterious pregnant void that gave birth to all the things, like the scientific concept of quantum fluctuation.

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Lyman Swingle at the Bethel Breakfast table - What fun!

by Dogpatch in

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friends

13 years ago

https://vimeo.com/41590728.

how in the world do you embed videos on this site?.

13 years ago

John_Mann 13 years ago

Thanx for your great analysis, exwhyzee!

I know your point about the "museum feeling", I felt the same every time I went to some museum. And the old stuff related to JW's make us to feel more compassionate toward this "old pics" people.

I'm a nihilist and a tour through a museum is the ultimate gospel of nihilism. No matter what you believe or not believe, 150 years from now most of us will be not even remembered by our very descendants.

It's not a sad thing neither happy, just the reality.

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Lyman Swingle at the Bethel Breakfast table - What fun!

by Dogpatch in

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friends

13 years ago

https://vimeo.com/41590728.

how in the world do you embed videos on this site?.

13 years ago

John_Mann 13 years ago

{I remember we were looking at a display of JW history in the waiting lobby and one sister said " I know this sounds bad but I'm sorry....this is just creeping me out for some reason"}

What kind of pics were there? Could you give me more information about that display?

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Don't know where to turn, Don't know who to trust

by BrotherPrince in

13 years ago

no, not that prince, its just a username.

hey apostates, i've heard about these types of forums at meetings and such, never would've guessed it was called jehovahs-witness.net lol.

(excuse my shock, hope no one is offended).

13 years ago

John_Mann 13 years ago

Forget about Jehovah, Satan was right.

"What is truth? L et us eat and drink, for tomorrow we are to die!"

You'll not find another truth so simple and real like this one. No matter what elegant philosophy or religion we could follow, death awaits us all with nasty big pointy teeth.

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