John_Mann

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  JW Doctors

  by elisaporquien in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  okay i know that there are people who began careers in medicine, law, etc.

  then later got into the truth.

  i know that pursuing a higher education is not forbidden but a personal choice.

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  John_Mann

  Yes, I know one born in who is a doctor. He's a closeted gay but still in the Borg.
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  Come... take the free gift of the water of life!

  by tec in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  peace to you all!.

  for some time now, i have been arguing and debating and discussing matters of god and the spirit (who is christ).

  i have tried to share as he has given me to share whenever he gives me something to share.

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  John_Mann

  Tec you must seek medical help, now. Cofty even helped to find the origin of your "voice", you simply can't deny it, it's a fact.

  Like others have said, everyone have an internal dialogue with our subconscious. It's not a voice external to you, neither is a voice from a magical being. This internal "voice" was evolved to express the meaning of subtle perceptions that our conscious mind can't easily grab. It was vital in a time where the jungle's law ruled. Today it help us to spot more sophisticated predators like conmen.

  {yet you believe man came from monkeys.}

  You can't believe in science, in science you must understand and then accept, after that you must keep trying to refute the acceptance. The theory of evolution is under this process since 1850's, and until now it have passed all questions.

  If you take "monkey" as a primate, man did not came from monkeys, man IS a kind of monkey.

  The homo sapiens belong to the order of primates, same order of all monkeys.

  So, we accept we are a kind of primate. And we came from a being similar to a bacteria, we call it LUCA.
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  3D printing questions.

  by DATA-DOG in

  1. social
  2. current

  what the heck are they?

  should i learn more about them?

  do you think there will be career opportunities?

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  3D printing are already real, and will be used in near future to build nanobots in our home as easy as we print stuff in a sheet of paper. And the nanobots will cure all the human diseases, including old age and death.

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/206821/1/With-the-advance-of-the-singularity-in-2045-will-the-JW-finally-Give-up#.UlX8lCSkp2E
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  What kind of scandal would cause most JW to leave the "truth"?

  by Iamallcool in

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  John_Mann

  I think the WT nemesis is the internet.

  And they will in great trouble as internet are becoming smart.

  There's a lot of information noise on internet, but with the advance of AI we will not have a pain for searching things.

  All you have to do is just ask something and you will be fed with precise information.

  What you gonna do if the Google machine just show you facts about your religion?

  http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2013/09/are_search_engines_and_the_internet_hurting_human_memory.html
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  Why were we so fortunate to escape clutches of the WT?

  by jam in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  when i came out i knew of very few ex-jw's.

  for years i. question my decision.

  was i being selfish, couldn't cut the.

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  I'm an atheist myself and the only thing I say there's no god and not "there's no hope". WTF?
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  Religious people are less intelligent than atheists, according to analysis of scores of scientific studies stretching back over decades

  by besty in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/religious-people-are-less-intelligent-than-atheists-according-to-analysis-of-scores-of-scientific-studies-stretching-back-over-decades-8758046.html.

  study found 'a reliable negative relation between intelligence and religiosity' in 53 out of 63 studies.

  a new review of 63 scientific studies stretching back over decades has concluded that religious people are less intelligent than non-believers.. .

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  The best definition of intelligence to me is:

  - Intentional ability to reorganize existent information to create new knowledge.

  The best definition of religion:

  - I believe because it's absurd.
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  Religious people are less intelligent than atheists, according to analysis of scores of scientific studies stretching back over decades

  by besty in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/religious-people-are-less-intelligent-than-atheists-according-to-analysis-of-scores-of-scientific-studies-stretching-back-over-decades-8758046.html.

  study found 'a reliable negative relation between intelligence and religiosity' in 53 out of 63 studies.

  a new review of 63 scientific studies stretching back over decades has concluded that religious people are less intelligent than non-believers.. .

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  Speaking only about my personal experience:

  Religion dumbed down me.

  Science makes me feel what religion promised to me (and never gave me).
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  More fear and paranoia WT-style! (11/15/13 WT)

  by LostGeneration in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i usually dismiss the "drinking the kool aid" scenarios that are posted from time to time, but the latest wt has another bit of fearmongering.

  the quote from page 20, para 17. elders who are reading this article can draw some useful conclusions from the account we have just considered: (1) the most practical step that we can take to prepare for the coming attack of the assyrian is that of strengthening our faith in god and helping our brothers to do the same.

  (2) when the assyrian attacks, the elders must be absolutely convinced that jehovah will deliver us.

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  The portuguese version does not appear the last "human" part. Only appears the strategic standpoint. The portuguese translators found the statement too absurd. The house is divided.

  (3) Nessa época, receberemos orientaçõe da organização de Jeová que salvarão nossa vida, embora talvez não pareçam práticas do ponto de vista humano. Todos nós devemos estar prontos para obedecer a quaisquer orientações que recebamos, quer pareçam fazer sentido de um ponto de vista estratégico, quer não.

  The italian version it's very different (no mention of strategic or human standpoint at all):

  Tutti dovremo essere pronti a seguirle, per quanto strane possano sembrarci, perché è solo così che potremo avere salva la vita.

  Everyone should be ready to follow them, however strange they may seem, because it is the only way that we can save our life.
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  The Bizarre Free Will

  by John_Mann in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  two years before i left jw world i came to a strange conclusion about the jw cosmology and the free will doctrine.. basically i came to conclusion that satan is right about the universal sovereign issue.

  and i came with that just only using jws premises, no outside apostasy.

  i just told to my sister what she thought about it, and she said to me: dont tell anyone about this!.

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  I just finished a blog post on the topic of Paradox of Adam and Eve, as well as explain how the New World Translation is the ONLY translation that attempts to cover up the mistake:

  Very good article Adamah, well written! Clearly Eve was craving for the wisdom contained in the fruit. WT changing substantial portions of bible is beyond dishonesty!

  Yup, I agree it's better to 'play in their sandbox', as it were, since you can use their own Bible to show them the illogic and downright mistakes; then the ball is in their court for how to react.

  That's the spirit!
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  The Bizarre Free Will

  by John_Mann in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  two years before i left jw world i came to a strange conclusion about the jw cosmology and the free will doctrine.. basically i came to conclusion that satan is right about the universal sovereign issue.

  and i came with that just only using jws premises, no outside apostasy.

  i just told to my sister what she thought about it, and she said to me: dont tell anyone about this!.

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  John_Mann

  But I'm thinking inside the WT box by trying to find a way to simulate and accelerate the JW world and see what would happen if all of that was really true.

  And the JW world collapses in itself. And the reason is Gödel's incompleteness theorem (the second one).

  Remember my inbox thinking it's just in OP, the other posts are just additional free thinking outside the JW box.

  I've tried this method with several JW's and their reactions is simply amazing.

  I think this is a powerful method to talk with a JW without discussing external apostasy.

  All the premises are well based JW doctrines, so you can freely discuss all of them, even the conclusion 1.

  If you have an opportunity to use this method with a JW try to write down and list all the premises, so when the JW resist some conclusion you must point what premise are been neglected.

  The most popular objection I'd found it's the "new scrolls".

  But even new scrolls can't erase freewill and the discussion continues...