Posts by porfiada

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Elder said people "rarely" die from refusing a blood transfusion

by InterestedOne in

i sat in on the "know your options" reading tonight, and the elder said a couple things i was wondering about:.

1. he said if a doctor says you have a high risk of dying if you refuse a blood transfusion, he is misleading you.

he said people "rarely" die from refusing a blood transfusion.

porfiada

Hi

I understand the issues (and I wouldn't put my money (or life!) on statements 1) or 2). I needed a transfusion (actually I had 4) and I had NO problems. I probably would have died without them as I had been bleeding for hours and my blood prssure got as low as 70 over 40 (half of a normal person).

I recommend you read the analysis of the blood broachure's statements' article: “Jehovah’s Witnesses, Blood Transfusions, and the Tort of Misrepresentation” Journal of Church and State, September 22, 2005. Author: Louderback-Wood, Kerry

Written by an attorney who was personally affected by the no-blood policy. It seems longer than what it actually is because of the number of references listed, which give it substance and credibility. The essay exposes the vulnerability of the Watchtower Society to tort claims because of the religion’s misrepresentations of secular writers in the 1990 pamphlet: “How blood can save your life”, published by the Watchtower Society, used to teach Jehovah’s Witnesses the no-blood policy for the last two decades.

Now the full article is available online for free:
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_hb3244/is_4_47/ai_n29228845/

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Did you Fade Gradually or Stop Attending Meetings Quickly ? Reasons ?

by flipper in

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been thinking about this and curious about what makes us all come to the decisions we came to in our fade/exiting the jw organization.. i think for myself having been born-in & raised a jw my doubts about the generation doctrine had simmered for years within me quietly and by the time i finally left in 2003 i had reached my breaking point.

also seeing unjust treatment of rank & file witness ( myself included ) just propelled me into my decision even quicker.

so - one day after meeting with 3 elders in a back room before a meeting and seeing their judgmental aggression towards me - i just told myself " enough is enough ".

porfiada

I was tld off for waering trousers to a book study when i was 18. They came to my house, the elders, to say I was not submissive enough. I had some questions for them but they said they would answer thm another day and the problem with me was that I "had doubts". I never went to a meeting in 17 years after that. I haven't been DFd and they have no record of me anymore. Sadly, i slipped in for a while but I have stopped going for almost 2 months now and will never go again-after we couldn't agree on the blood issue with my new" God' Love" bible study teacher. I will move soon to another city and will not remain unknown there as I had been here until a year ago.

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WTS - The most inefficient marketing company in the world!

by Robert7 in

businesses have a known customer acquision cost.

this is the cost of advertising, subsidies, etc.

it takes to add one new customer.

porfiada

Well done Robert this religion cannot have Godly-Direction for sure...

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NZ Mine Tragedy - Aussie miner was a JW

by 3Mozzies in

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http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/aussie-miner-william-joynson-big-strong-but-trapped-in-dark/story-e6freuy9-1225958821843.

after a year in new zealand, australian miner william joynson and his wife kim had begun packing their belongings, ready to return to queensland.. the photo albums and other personal items had already been shipped across the tasman.. after sons jonathon, 13, and benjamin, 10, finished the school year, the family planned to leave their modest cottage and move home early in the new year.. the joynsons had shaped a life in new zealand, centred around the pike river coal mine and the jehovah's witness community, of which they were active members.. friends james ashby and rodger griffiths described the man they know as willy joynson as a "typical australian".. .

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porfiada

I hope his family is ok after the terrible floods in Queensland....anyone knows from them?

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Since the numbers of those partaking are increasing......

by justmom in

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........and not decreasing, and 1935 hasn't shut up the heavenly hope..... then maybe folks are hearing the invitation at john 6:35-59....... "i am the bread of life!

he that feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood (communion) has everlasting life, and a resurrection.

unless you eat the flesh of the son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in yourselves.

porfiada

Just mom

You are probably right. I do not see how can anyone who believes to follow Christ and wish to value his sacrifice REFUSE to partake on the emblems of his blod and flesh's sacrifice.

The CO of my ex congregation said t me that he believed that the numbers of partakers rose because people like to do as they used to do in their ordinary or former church.

Clearly, in John 6:35-39 Jesus did not say that there was a second category or non-partakers that would anyway have their sins forgiven and live in paradise on earth. He made it pretty plain. You need to drink his blood and eat his flesh to gain everlasting life. I raised this issue to an old family friend and she just went on and on about how it was just his disciples at the last supper. However he had made this invitation BEFORE the last supper, to EVERYONE.

That is why I have been thinking these days about how could we, ex jw and other people who have realized how deceptive the WTS is, make an international effort to COMBAT THE INCREASED PREACHING encouraged weeks before the memorial to INVITE NON JWs to the MEMORIAL.

The WTS loves to count all the memorial visitors as prospective bible studies and future JWs. So if we can cut down the number of visitors we reduce the prospects of WTS of gaining more victims, and save their families from the divisions caused by this religion. THe WTS could not boast as much in their Yearbooks on the attendance to the this mostly NON-PARTAKING MEMORIAL.

For example, we could have a facebook group THIS EASTER COMMEMORATE JESUS'S DEATH AND PARTAKE FROM HIS SACRIFICE: ANY CHRISTIAN CHURCH WOULD DO. JUST DON'T GO THE JEHOVAH's WITNESSES MEMORIAL BECAUSE THEY EXPECT YOU NOT TO PARTAKE (You will only be warming the seat and not accepting the symbols of his sacrifice).

The problem with facebook is of course that you are anonymous and most JWs and ex JWs cannot come out like that without getting further shunning.

Anyone has any suggestions about how to do this? Any better ideas?

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Discovering Mortality

by pirata in

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most of my life i never gave thought to my mortality because i'd be petting a lion forever in the new system.

my hobby could wait because i would have time to pursue it as a perfect being in a paradise.

dying was not a huge deal because i'd wake up in a paradise earth.. then i woke up.

porfiada

Ok I agree with Elderellite's quotes. If you cheapen life, frgetiing death and living like if everything around you, including the people in your life, will always be there, you are bound for disaster, because noeffort is made to enrich the experience or cut out the unnecessary and hurtful. So its good to keep death in mind and just how lucky we are to be alive.

What I meant above is that its a waste of time to WORRY about BEING dead.

I cannot rule out some kind of afterlife, maybe even heavenly one, as as much i try to stick to science and the material world, there are always credible stories of the supernatural. My dad had one, he saw his mother's ghost dissaproving of a girlfriend. My grandad saw his friend's ghost say good bye to him the night his friend passed away.. I do not think that they would have made this up. of course the JW theory would say is demons, but even that is supernatural anyway. There are so many dimensions and things we might not know or do not comprehend. For example, out there there is anti-matter, with atoms with positive electrons and negative protons. Why that?? Who knows. Or just think that matter as we know it is mostly empty. We and all objects are mostly empty space, as each atom is practically empty; just a huge field with just these basketballs on orbits. ...we have much to understand yet.

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Discovering Mortality

by pirata in

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most of my life i never gave thought to my mortality because i'd be petting a lion forever in the new system.

my hobby could wait because i would have time to pursue it as a perfect being in a paradise.

dying was not a huge deal because i'd wake up in a paradise earth.. then i woke up.

porfiada

Its a miracle that we are here to start with.

When we will be dead we won't even have to think about being dead, so why waste your live-time thinking about being dead? The best you can get out of that is maybe putting a little more effort into doing the things that you really want to do- your bucket list.

Everything has a cycle, as you have noticed, so why should we be so precious that only we get an eternal life ion earth as depicted by WTS, while the rest of nature, and even stars die?

we need to make way for whoever is coming next. In the meantime, just try to enjoy life. It is painful though that you seem to be trapped in the borg maybe to avoid losing your family. Maybe use your insider status to helps some sheep think! Or maybe its too easy to get caught? All the best

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Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 01-16-11 WT Study (BAPTISM)

by blondie in

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1, 2. for you to be successful as you grow toward.

trail, you might want to take along a. map and a compass.

a reliable map and a compass.

porfiada

Same story, non jw dad, jw mum, what is getting in the way, subliminal peer pressure..the right thing to do and BANG! Baptized at 15. So glad my children won't be doing that too. I had a child at 26 and I now think that THAT was bonkers! Way too young....Ha! Still didn't know who I was.

Thanks Blondie for a great post!

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Is the family of Pike River Mine victim William John Joyson (a JW) ok in Queensland?

by porfiada in

worry: 'the longer they are down there... well, the chances are getting slimmer and slimmer each day, aren't they?

' veronica cook, sister of miner willy joynson, pictured.the pike river minersthe pike river minersmalcolm campbellfrancis mardenpeter james rodgerchris dugganben rockhousejosh uferbrendon palmermilton osborneblair sims .

william john joynson, 49, dunollie australia.. an experienced underground miner who worked for many years in the burgowan mines at howard, near bunderberg.

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WORRY: 'The longer they are down there... well, the chances are getting slimmer and slimmer each day, aren't they?' Veronica Cook, sister of miner Willy Joynson, pictured.

The Pike River miners

The Pike River miners Malcolm Campbell Francis Marden Peter James Rodger Chris Duggan Ben Rockhouse Josh Ufer Brendon Palmer Milton Osborne Blair Sims

William John Joynson, 49, Dunollie Australia.

An experienced underground miner who worked for many years in the Burgowan mines at Howard, near Bunderberg. His wife and two children live in Queensland, and he had been travelling between there and Greymouth while working at Pike River. His sister, Veronica Cook, told Australian radio that her family had tried to convince Mr Joynson to quit his career in the mines.

Taken from: http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/pike-river-mine-disaster/the-pike-river-miners/4381498/William-John-Joynson "The Joynsons had shaped a life in New Zealand, centred around the Pike River coal mine and the Jehovah's Witness community, of which they were active members" http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/aussie-miner-william-joynson-big-strong-but-trapped-in-dark/story-e6freuy9-1225958821843Fr .....So if his family is in Queensland, Australia, where there has been massive flooding in the last weeks, I wonder if they are ok? Does anyone in Australia know them and can telll us if they are ok? Thanks Porfiada

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Is the family of Pike River Mine victim William John Joyson (a JW) ok in Queensland?

by porfiada in

worry: 'the longer they are down there... well, the chances are getting slimmer and slimmer each day, aren't they?

' veronica cook, sister of miner willy joynson, pictured.the pike river minersthe pike river minersmalcolm campbellfrancis mardenpeter james rodgerchris dugganben rockhousejosh uferbrendon palmermilton osborneblair sims .

william john joynson, 49, dunollie australia.. an experienced underground miner who worked for many years in the burgowan mines at howard, near bunderberg.

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Willy Joynson

WORRY: 'The longer they are down there... well, the chances are getting slimmer and slimmer each day, aren't they?' Veronica Cook, sister of miner Willy Joynson, pictured.

The Pike River miners

The Pike River miners Malcolm Campbell Francis Marden Peter James Rodger Chris Duggan Ben Rockhouse Josh Ufer Brendon Palmer Milton Osborne Blair Sims

William John Joynson, 49, Dunollie Australia.

An experienced underground miner who worked for many years in the Burgowan mines at Howard, near Bunderberg. His wife and two children live in Queensland, and he had been travelling between there and Greymouth while working at Pike River. His sister, Veronica Cook, told Australian radio that her family had tried to convince Mr Joynson to quit his career in the mines.

Taken from: http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/pike-river-mine-disaster/the-pike-river-miners/4381498/William-John-Joynson "The Joynsons had shaped a life in New Zealand, centred around the Pike River coal mine and the Jehovah's Witness community, of which they were active members" http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/aussie-miner-william-joynson-big-strong-but-trapped-in-dark/story-e6freuy9-1225958821843Fr .....So if his family is in Queensland, Australia, where there has been massive flooding in the last weeks, I wonder if they are ok? Does anyone in Australia know them and can telll us if they are ok? Thanks Porfiada