Posts by Quendi

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Samuel Herd said we should preach wherever we are told to, even if there are bullets flying everywhere and dead bodies found in the territory.

by defender of truth in

this man's views are dangerous.

go to the link at the bottom of this post.

download fear of giants(ok).mp3.

Quendi

While certainly not agreeing with Sam Herd's dangerous nonsense, I have to say that many Witnesses have followed the same course in the past and I'm not talking about Nazi Germany. During the terrible Balkans wars of the 1990s Witnesses dodged bullets and shells during the siege of Sarajevo. I remember attending a circuit assembly where a letter was read from a Witnesses in that city. In it he described the "bravery" of the local Witnesses who persisted in the canvassing work, furtively going from house to house with their message. They were held up as an example to the rest of us to not complain about working under far more benign conditions. Furthermore, the audience was also told that we could be sure that the Bosnian Witnesses had Jehovah's favor and blessing for canvassing despite the death-dealing situations they were facing. Many of us nodded our heads in agreement with this sentiment, a testimony to just how deep the mind control the cult can have over its adherents.

Quendi

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Will reserrected Gays and Lesbians have to give up homosexuality in order to stay in the new system?

by booker-t in

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friends

do jws believe that if a gay or lesbian is reserrected after the great trib he or she will have to give up homosexuality in order to live..

Quendi

If pressed, I'm sure JWs will say that dead gay people will be resurrected into the new system, but they will have to completely change to being either asexual or straight if they are to survive the final test at the end of the thousand year reign. And as others have said, some may well be destroyed before the thousand years end. What I have to tell myself is that nothing the Witnesses teach or believe about the Kingdom of God has any real chance of being true.

Quendi

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Circuit Accounts Servants Confesses how the SCAM WORKS!!

by JT in

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yes, i too have wondered how an assembly that is held in a fully paid for assembly hall, with no food service, could possibly have $10,000 in expenses.

i suppose the bethel speakers have transportation expenses - maybe $1000 or so.

as for rent on the assembly hall, well you have already paid for it once, why pay again?

Quendi

This thread has underscored why we can say the WTS is as dishonest and "worldly" as the non-WTS institutions it so loves to condemn. Assembly expenses always puzzled me. When I lived in Alabama during the 1970s, assembly expenses were quite low. The total cost of putting one on (including the cost of food, utilities and rent paid to the non-Witness owner of the facility) was always less than a thousand dollars. Donations more than covered this and excess funds were kept on hand to defray the expenses of the next circuit assembly.

Then I moved to Colorado in 1981 and was shocked to hear that expenses for holding a circuit assembly were ten times what an Alabama assembly cost. lFigures in excess of seven or even eight thousand dollars were announced from the platform. This was back in the day when we were told the "cost" of holding an assembly. When I asked why the difference between expenses for assemblies in Colorado and Alabama existed, I was given no answer--not a specious explanation or even a lie, but silence. Now I see why. I suppose the Alabama circuits operate on the same principle nowadays. I'm glad again to once more say, "Quendi is no longer one of Jehovah's Witnesses."

Quendi

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10 min meeting with all servants after the Tuesday meeting with CO

by Absalom in

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is there anyone who is currently appointed who can tell me what this 10 min meeting with the co was about?

he made the announcement that he wants to meet with all appointed men right after the meeting..

Quendi

Well, since I'm disfellowshipped, I'll be spared the perfunctory phone call/visit. I can be most grateful for that!

Quendi

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October 1914

by Quendi in

we have had a great discussion about world war i and its impact on the twentieth century.

i hope we can have an equally interesting exchange about october 1914. we all know how important that date was in the history of jehovah's witnesses but what may be murkier is the wts's later thinking on what happened that month and when.

charles taze russell and his followers expected the gentile times to conclude in that month with the battle of armageddon.

Quendi

Interesting thoughts, kepler. I am reexamining my faith in the scriptures we have as apparently are you. The fundamentalist approach JWs embrace has proved itself inadequate to address the inconsistencies it has created let alone the deeper questions many of us have. There aren't many Witnesses who are interested in really investigating Witness theology. The vast majority are content to read WTS publications and accept without question their findings. They also have no idea of how different ideas have fared as the years have rolled along, being content to accept so-called "new light" for any adjustments made in understanding or embracing a simplistic belief that the Governing Body knows best. So the exact dates of when the Gentile Times ended, the war in heaven began or Satan's being cast out of heaven are unimportant to them. All that matters is that they did take place--the details aren't worth losing faith in the cult's leadership.

Quendi

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JWs getting "Footloose" at the Kingdom Hall

by AndDontCallMeShirley in

i hope no one here get's injured when they see this and their jaw hits the floor:.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=689701664435095&set=vb.100001858044479&type=2&theater.

Quendi

Did the angels or demons join in the festivities? ROTFL!! Thanks ADCMS for sharing this glimpse.

I remember once throwing a "singles" party and being called on the carpet by the elders for not having chaperones and married guests. My answer that married people gave parties that excluded singles and did not include chaperones fell on deaf ears. I wonder what will happen to the people responsible for this gathering? Inquiring minds want to know.

Quendi

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October 1914

by Quendi in

we have had a great discussion about world war i and its impact on the twentieth century.

i hope we can have an equally interesting exchange about october 1914. we all know how important that date was in the history of jehovah's witnesses but what may be murkier is the wts's later thinking on what happened that month and when.

charles taze russell and his followers expected the gentile times to conclude in that month with the battle of armageddon.

Quendi

So now Satan was cast out "about 1914." That seems to be an edging away from what has been the cornerstone teaching of the cult. I wonder what this might signify in relation to other essential teachings.

Quendi

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good news-- step one accomplished!

by losingit in

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i just wanted to share the good news that wednesday was the last day of my summer teaching internship.

i had a great time with the kids-- they were ready to learn, be challenged and have fun.

and this was summer school!

Quendi

Congratulations, leavingit, from a fellow teacher! I'll pass along something a veteran teacher shared with me years ago about how to be successful in this field. It is something you may have already discovered during your internship, but I believe it is worth repeating: "Kids don't care how much you know until they know how much you care." That has been my experience and remembering it has given me experiences I wouldn't trade for anything.

Good luck!

Quendi

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October 1914

by Quendi in

we have had a great discussion about world war i and its impact on the twentieth century.

i hope we can have an equally interesting exchange about october 1914. we all know how important that date was in the history of jehovah's witnesses but what may be murkier is the wts's later thinking on what happened that month and when.

charles taze russell and his followers expected the gentile times to conclude in that month with the battle of armageddon.

Quendi

Thanks, leaving_quietly, for this information. You're right to point to the "precision" which was a feature of WTS publications once upon a time. I remember how they pointed to the flight of the Jews after Gedaliah's assassination as the starting point for the Gentile Times. That flight left the land totally desolate and abandoned until the Jews returned from exile decades later. I doubt we will see such certitude next October. While the WTS has talked about the approaching centenary in its conventions and new releases, it hasn't given it the fanfare and promotion that, say, 1975 got. It'll be interesting to see how they play things out this time around.

Quendi

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October 1914

by Quendi in

we have had a great discussion about world war i and its impact on the twentieth century.

i hope we can have an equally interesting exchange about october 1914. we all know how important that date was in the history of jehovah's witnesses but what may be murkier is the wts's later thinking on what happened that month and when.

charles taze russell and his followers expected the gentile times to conclude in that month with the battle of armageddon.

Quendi

We have had a great discussion about World War I and its impact on the twentieth century. I hope we can have an equally interesting exchange about October 1914. We all know how important that date was in the history of Jehovah's Witnesses but what may be murkier is the WTS's later thinking on what happened that month and when. Charles Taze Russell and his followers expected the Gentile Times to conclude in that month with the Battle of Armageddon. For years beforehand, WTS literature trumpeted this expectation. None of the "Russellites" as the International Bible Students--later renamed as Jehovah's Witnesses--were also called expected the time of the end to begin in 1914. Rather they expected its culmination in that year.

When the Great War, as World War I was orignally called, broke out in July 1914, the Bible Students were thrilled. As the war intensified that summer into the worst bloodbath the world had ever seen, they were certain that it would lead inexorably and inevitably to Armageddon with October seeing the climax of events. Just when in October this was to happen wasn't exactly forecast. Some thought 1 October would be the day. On the morning of 2 October, Russell announced to the breakfasting Bethel family, "The Gentile Times have ended; their kings have had their day!" There was a great burst of applause and as one person present on the occasion said later, 'We expected the table and chairs to begin rising in the air' as a sign of their being raised to heavenly life.

Well, nothing of the kind happened of course. But later publications of the WTS still pointed to October 1914 as the end of the Gentile Times. However, the date underwent some revision. From 1 October, it advanced to 4/5 October. That was the date I read in the WTS book Then Is Finished the Mystery of God, which was published in 1969. I have never understood just how that precise date was calculated. Perhaps someone else will contribute that information. I don't know if the WTS is still advocating an exact day in October 1914 when the Gentile Times supposedly ended and Jesus Christ was enthroned and crowned in heaven.

With the centenary of the Gentile Times' expiration now approaching, I wonder if the WTS is being so precise nowadays or has it contented itself with settling only for the year rather than the day and month. There is also the allied problem of how to reconcile the start of the First World War with WTS chronology. The WTS used to claim that Satan instigated the war as a result of being cast out of heaven. But if Christ wasn't crowned until October, how and why could the war in heaven have started the previous summer? The WTS also used to say that Satan started the earthly war 'right on time', but that can't be correct if Christ had not been empowered to do so. Maybe they have fallen silent on this problem of date reconciliation, but I have to wonder how they would answer any inquiry about it, assuming there are any active Witnesses alert enough to know the history of this confusing and entangled chronology and theology. Comment is invited.

Quendi