Posts by DesirousOfChange

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Revising History

by no-zombie in

while i'm aware of wt books being revised without noting the differences on newer editions (the truth book is a classic example of this) ... is there evidence of the writing committee revising the online versions of wt articles, as compared to the printed editions?.

if there is a previous thread on this topic, just link it ... as these is no need to reinvent the wheel.. thanks.

DesirousOfChange

I guess this is why I still have boxes of JW publications stored on a shelf in my garage. Most of my old Watchtower Library went into a bonfire. But these boxes contain things like the "original" Truth Book and Live Forever book. The "you will not get old in this system" Awake! magazine. The 1914 Will Never Die Watchtower. These cannot be "revised". They are not photoshopped by apostates. They are the hard proof of WT false prophecies.

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Reddit thread: ‘This Cult is Dying and it Brings Me Joy’

by LongHairGal in

this is an excellent thread to read that i saw yesterday and the poster hits the nail on the head and tells it so well.

he is really knocking pimi witnesses and has a lot of well deserved criticisms about them.. he says he hopes at this point that they never wake up….

i am inclined to feel the same.

DesirousOfChange

Let's review: "It's a Cult!"

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Scam Marketing !

by Phizzy in

we are constantly being attacked by scam marketers who create a perceived need , not a real one, and hence create within us a want.

if we fill our desire for that thing or things by buying in to it, we then end up with totally unnecessary expense.

we have been scammed.. whether that be something to do with the latest fashions and trends, the latest 'phone, car or something similar.. the longest running, and most lucrative marketing scam in all human history has been religion.

DesirousOfChange

. . . Most lucrative Marketing Scam in all Human History has been Religion.

I think religion was conceived by the aristocrats to give Hope to the lower classes.

The farmers, herders, peasants who scrounged just to survive and were in hopelessness needed something to give them hope. Religion told them that it was not their fault they were suffering. It was because of the evils of others. BUT, they could have a grand prospect in the future.

So it is today. Religion still promises HOPE for the future. Eternal life in Paradise (earthly or heavenly). No sickness. No death. No evil. No sorrow.

It is the scam that has worked for millenniums and continues on to this day. Yet, no evidence that anyone has been anything but scammed.

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What is Your Favorite WT Lie?

by Sea Breeze in

i would like to start a thread on lies that the watchtower and their reps have told.

surely we all have one or two that truly sticks out in our memories, no matter how much we would like to forget.

my favorite wt lie: the reason they don't want to release the name of the "scholars" who worked on the new world translation is because they do not want to accept "glory and honor" from others.

DesirousOfChange

If all the WT lies were to get posted this string would surpass the "Cedars hate" string.

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PREPARE TO GET PELTED BY SYMBOLIC HAILSTONES

by raymond frantz in

https://youtu.be/idhmflud3p4?si=9xc4svrhxslduwvz.

so david schafer a member of the teaching commitee and a helper to the governing body has come out yesterday with a new video that goes through the king of the north, the hailstones message and other things in the wake of the possibility of a ww3 and especially now that tensions are escalating with russia so he is making quite a few end time arguments and i will be expanding on those one by one but today let's see what he has about the hailstones message of the end(video) so this is the paragraph in question, paragraph 14 from article 20 of the watchtower 2020 study edition: "sometime after the start of the great tribulation, “the kings of the entire inhabited earth” will form a coalition of nations.

(rev.

DesirousOfChange

The Watchtower's interpretation suggests these hailstones are symbolic of Jehovah’s Witnesses delivering a bold judgment message that could provoke global opposition. . . . The notion that Jehovah’s Witnesses, known for their passive ministry, could deliver such a provocative message seems implausible, raising questions about the alignment of this interpretation with scripture and reality.

It is SO obvious when even AI realizes JWs are an "implausible" f*cking joke.

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What would it like to see

by JohnR1975 in

what i would like to see and maybe will get there in about another ten years is being a jw is a rewarding thing that enriches your life.. just like other religions out there you may not know the entire truth and maybe not quite right many of the beliefs but to have to idea of a belief centres and stabilises you.. i would like jws to be able to celebrate birthdays and maybe even other holidays if they choose to and not be judged by those who choose not to.. i would like jws to be allowed to have different interpretations of scripture and everyone is happy to agree to disagree and be able to say to each other yes maybe that interpretation is nearer the truth.

we just don’t know.. i would like new members of the gb to issue an apology for previous members getting so many things wrong.. they need to come out and say they were wrong about 1914 this date has no scriptural significance and the same is true of 1919. jws were not chosen in 1919 as the one and only true religion.. we just don’t know about so many things and it takes humility to admit we were wrong.. i would like to see even more lightening up on stupid restrictions like young people being allowed to have a varied friends and activities that are not with jws only..

DesirousOfChange

DITTO to what JohnR1975 said.

I think the majority of JWs would still claim it is The Truth™ and that they are true believers and The End™ of this wicked system will be "very, very soon" (though they are just reciting the KoolAid spin), but in reality they do not live their life like they really believe all of this.

Instead, if you pin them down and challenge them on it they will mutter something like, "you have to live your life like Armageddon could come tomorrow, BUT you have to PLAN your life like it will never come in your lifetime". Yeah, right. Can you say "LACK OF FAITH"? Of course, they will grab onto any and everything in the news (Covid, Ukraine/Russia, Middle-East, etc) and point to it and HOPE IT IS the turning point, just like they did 9/11 and every other disaster.

I think the vast majority of JWs are "Social JWs". It's their "religion" but not really their "belief", since primarily most DO NOT KNOW the real JW doctrines anymore beyond "JW(dot)org".

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Shunning--newest directive

by stan livedeath in

so just what is the latest directive on shunning?.

asking for a family member.

DesirousOfChange

However, he, an elder of 40+ years, says that the organization considers someone apostate if they’re an opposer, not just someone that no longer believes.

If that's an "official" adjustment, that is pretty significant. Sounds like it could just be HIS spin on it all. I think there are lots of JWs, including many elders like him, who are far more liberal in their thinking than are the GB/Leaders.

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Did Tony Morris Get Sideways with His Bros.?

by Sea Breeze in

interesting video connects the dots.

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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3ff1ibybfe4&t=205s&pp=2ahnazacaq%3d%3d.

DesirousOfChange

The Tony Morris situation is much like Where's Waldo.

simple Convolutional Neural Network ...

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Extreme at odds ever since pandemic ...

by Palegreen79 in

march 3-9 theocratic school material is something else.. i fully get that there are 2 major sides of thinking regarding that topic.

but really from their own lying mouths it was a personal decision that should have been respected.

this was not reality.