the issue is in fact the one found in the very beginning at the garden of Eden.
FINALLY! Someone interjects something factual -- with solid evidence -- into the discussion.
DesirousOfChange
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Just because Jehovah had to prove His Right To Rule? I don't think so!
by liam inwe get old because jehovah had to prove to all the angels that his way of ruling was the best?
that's the sorriest argument the watchtower has come up with.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/11hz_jqjkjo.
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Just because Jehovah had to prove His Right To Rule? I don't think so!
by liam inwe get old because jehovah had to prove to all the angels that his way of ruling was the best?
that's the sorriest argument the watchtower has come up with.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/11hz_jqjkjo.
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DesirousOfChange
We get old because Jehovah had to prove to all the Angels that his way of ruling was the best? That's the sorriest argument the Watchtower has come up with. ~ Liam
We get old and die because we are disconnected from God, the Source of all life, because of sin. . . Christ took the sins we committed onto Himself to pay the price for us. ~ Breeze
And that's about the sorriest argument any man made religion has come up with. There is NO EVIDENCE to support any of it or to give reason to have faith in it. Credulity! *
* Credulity means gullibility, or a willingness to believe anything. Credulity is a tendency to believe in things too easily and without evidence.
Go live your dream instead of living in a fantasy.
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Jehovah provides Javier a part-time job
by RULES & REGULATIONS inthe watchtower—study edition | march 2025. keep walking by faith.
7 note how javier, a brother in south america, saw the need to walk by faith.
he says: “i had applied for a prestigious job that would double my salary and provide considerable personal satisfaction.” however, javier had the deep desire to pioneer.
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DesirousOfChange
Jehovah answered Javier's prayer with a part-time job. In the meantime, Jehovah never answered the prayers from humans who were suffering from droughts, famine, diseases, earthquakes, poverty, violence, human slavery, war, child labor, etc. etc. -- R&R
Jehovah doesn't have time to intercede on behalf of millions of sick, enslaved, homeless widows and orphans around the world, but gets this moron a pt job asap! -- BA
EXACTLY!
I don't care if it's Jerhover or Christendom's God of choice, both are said to be ALL POWERFUL, ALL KNOWING, ALL LOVING, etc. I just do NOT see evidence of that claim!
God is either NOT ALL POWERFUL or else NOT ALL LOVING (OR BOTH) based on what goes on what we see happening in the World today. Any mortal human who gives a shit AND who has the power/ability to stop the horrendous things taking place in the world, would do so!
But God lets it all continue. He either doesn't know, or doesn't give a shit, or is impotent about doing anything to stop it.
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Further Crisis looming for JW org re Safeguarding ?
by Phizzy inif you substitute j.w org for c of e this really hits home : (from bbc news site) :.
the church of england risks further crisis if it fails to adopt a sweeping new independent system to keep people safe, the former head of a national inquiry into child sexual abuse has said.
(prof. alexis jay).. "i think it's absolutely necessary because church safeguarding as it stands falls below the standards of secular organisations, and i do not think that can continue when it has also led to such serious weaknesses," she told the bbc..
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DesirousOfChange
In my experience, over 10 years ago the WTS was "taking it serious" on matters of CSA. I think the pendulum has swung the other way and they are reporting anything that in any way might be considered illegal. I know of two families who dealt with this where their "children" of 17 and 22 years of age were said to be "involved" even though it only involved "photos".
After being told that the elders were consulting with WT Legal, the families were on "pins and needles" as to what kind of shit this could bring upon them from a legal standpoint. Both families were financially well set and went to their own attorneys and were told it was all BS as even the 17 yo was of the age of consent in this State. And in fact, WT Legal said the same. But it proves the Elders have been warned to call Legal if in any doubt. I'm convinced the alpha elder had an ax to grind with one of the families.
You'll notice that most of the lawsuits you hear about today are from events years ago and would have been beyond the statute of limitations if various US States had not lifted or adjusted the rules on SOL. The WT may snort and blow about NEVER giving up on the "two witness rule", but that is all posturing. They want the lawsuits to stop. Of course, it has more to do with protecting their bank accounts than protecting the kids.
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Remember they said this was the last of the FB and the helpers would have to take over to lead the flock through the great GT?!
by nowwhat? inthat aged well lol.
since then 4 younger gb members appointed.
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What do you mean by “investigations”?
When they "discover" they just got slapped with a CSA lawsuit or official notice of their tax exempt status being rescinded.
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The org's failed last days predictions were "well meant."
by BoogerMan inw93 6/1 p. 15 par.
6 be sound in mind - the end is close - "of course, well-meaning, faithful christians in the past have sincerely tried to predict when the end would come.".
more than 140 years of a sincere & well-meaning "it's coming soon" from the org, can be swept under the carpet - nothing to see here!.
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DesirousOfChange
Tonus, where is this from?
It appears (s)he is "correcting" the quote from the 93 WT quoted by Booger.
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The org's failed last days predictions were "well meant."
by BoogerMan inw93 6/1 p. 15 par.
6 be sound in mind - the end is close - "of course, well-meaning, faithful christians in the past have sincerely tried to predict when the end would come.".
more than 140 years of a sincere & well-meaning "it's coming soon" from the org, can be swept under the carpet - nothing to see here!.
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Of course, well-meaning faithful Christians in the past have burned others (heretics) at the stake.
At least today the most they can do is shun you.
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Remember they said this was the last of the FB and the helpers would have to take over to lead the flock through the great GT?!
by nowwhat? inthat aged well lol.
since then 4 younger gb members appointed.
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DesirousOfChange
they're making decisions on the fly, depending on how the "world" reacts (governments, court cases, etc).
Actually, it's my understanding they have begun to do serious investigations before changing their doctrines, positions, or policy. They have to confirm which way the (political) wind is blowing. . . .
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2025**02-February**S-147**Memorial**and Campaign!
by Atlantis in2025-s-147-announcements english-memorial and memorial campaign.
( i am still waiting to receive it in other languages.
https://pdfupload.io/docs/8307b8ef .
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DesirousOfChange
Elders can’t be alone with a ministerial servant under the age of 18.
They really do have a problem within their ranks if this kind of warning is needed.
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What will happen to the Watchtower Religion now that Trump has Withdrawn from certain aspects of the United Nations.
by liam inso trump has signed an executive order to withdraw from the united nations human rights council, a refugee organization, some others parts as well and calls for a review of american involvement in funding of the united nations.
he said the united nations has not been living to its potential and they need to get their act together or just dissolve the organization completely.
he said america will continue to be a part of the un but it's tiring that the united states is the country that funds most of the monies and that can't continue.
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DesirousOfChange
Too bad you can't bet on watchtower prophecies I'd be rich betting against them!
Too many of us bet our lives on WT prophecies -- much to out own detriment.