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  A Concerned Elder Speaks

  by Franklin Massey in

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  a lot of talk has centered around information dispensed at the recent km schools.

  many brothers feel there is a "tightening up" taking place.

  i had a recent experience that you may find interesting.. after the meeting i was working with our cobe on some congregation tasks when out of nowhere he said, "have you looked up any extra information about higher education since the km school?

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  Elder #1: "Brother Elder #2, your son recently started a program of study at the local college. We need to see you in the back to review your qualifications"

  Elder #2: "OK"

  .... they both walk back to a room filled with all the elders ...

  Elder #1: "We are all here to review Elder #2's qualifications. Personally, I think he's great and should remain an elder. What do you think?"

  All Elders: "Agreed".

  Elder #1: "OK Elder #2, we have reviewed your qualifications and we all think you're OK."

  Elder #2: "Thanks! Hey Elder #1, how about some drinks after the meeting?"

  The next CO's visit:

  CO: "Did someone review Elder #2's qualifications? His son is in college."

  Elder #1: "Oh yes, we all reviewed him, the entire body of elders participated."

  CO: "Very good. How about some drinks after the meeting?"

  I would expect the Review as sighted above to be typical, but the foremost questions would be:

  "Have Elder#2's children been dunked?" (Oh, yes, they made a heartfelt dedication at just 9 years old! Isn't that wonderful!)

  "Are they displaying that they are still putting the Kingdom first in their lives?" (Oh yes, they are turning in their monthy token 10 hours driving around and snacking at McDonalds and they read the underlined answer right out of the WT publication at every meeting?)

  It's all about appearances. Of course, there will be some hard@$$ elder bodies that will take the hardline, mostly those where the majority of the elders are struggling because they didn't go to college, or their kids are struggling (probably still living at home) because they didn't go to college, and thus they will conclude why should YOUR kids have it any better. (Sacrifice for the Kingdom.)

  The worst are the ones who went to college, sowed their seed, partied their @$$ off, got their career going, now making the big $$$ and THEN converted or got re-activated -- but now say that you or your kids shouldn't feel like they are missing out on anything -- you should be grateful that you all have the Truth and not take the chance of getting involved in all of that wickedness of higher education and the risk of materialism. (BTW--Wish you could join the CO & me after the meeting for a dinner & a few drinks at the fancy, high-priced joint, but I know it's too expensive for you, but by the way, what time will you be at my corporate office tomorrow to clean the windows?)
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  A Concerned Elder Speaks

  by Franklin Massey in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  a lot of talk has centered around information dispensed at the recent km schools.

  many brothers feel there is a "tightening up" taking place.

  i had a recent experience that you may find interesting.. after the meeting i was working with our cobe on some congregation tasks when out of nowhere he said, "have you looked up any extra information about higher education since the km school?

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  Those serving who have any real character and deep concern for their family will NOT put their family's future ahead of their position as elder/MS. If the GB doesn't appreciate what they are sacrificing to serve, so be it. (Jah does: Heb 6:10) Don't sacrifice your family's future (their future in this system could be longer than you think) for the glory of having a title.

  For those whose family members have already completed their advanced education and have already prospered as a result, will they hypocritically deny that others seek that same advantage? (Sadly some will.) Hopefully most of these educated ones will understand the real issue here and be more tolerant. If a CO comes though and takes the hardline, hopefully most of these bros will have some integrity and take a stand for what is right, even at risk of their title.
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  Help: Re: Letter to elders NOT to disfellowship otherwise legal action will be taken

  by LouBelle in

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  hello there everyone.

  i remember reading a while back about someone on here ( i think) that wrote a letter to the body of elders & headoffice that they should not take any action to disfellowship them as they would be distancing them from friends and relatives and would proceed to take legal action if the body of elders went ahead.. if anyone has that link or can point me in the right direction i'd appreciate that..

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  Has anyone recently really had any success with getting them to call off the dogs by using the strategy of a letter like this? In the US, at least, the courts are not going to get involved in an internal religious matter. One could always sue in civil court, but that would take huge amounts of money and the WTS has more than any one individual could match. And they would go to bat against anything that could set a precedent. And their lawyers are free.

  I could only see any hope of it being effective if it involved a person joining the military or something that would be bad PR if it got publicity.
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  A Beloved and Compassionate Elder Trapped in a Cult Just Died , What should I do?

  by TastingFreedom in

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  i just heard the sad news that a very loving and kind elder for the congregation that i belonged to for 15 years just died from a heart attack.

  he was someone that i had great admiration and deep respect for, even now that i'm out from the jws.

  he was my mentor and an inspiration to me as an elder, and in many ways he showed me the contradictions of the wts, he was a breath of fresh air within a cult.

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  If the memorial service is at the KH, that is a public building and you should be welcome to attend. Since you speak of being shunned, I assume you are already DF or DA. If you are just fading, I would question the wisdom of going into the Hall.

  Send a floral piece to the home of the widow. That will make a wonderful statement.
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  Rahm Emanuel Off The Ballot In Chicago Per The Court!

  by minimus in

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  it looks like the former chief of staff of president obama is a man without a home.

  poor guy!.

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  3% is (was) a low tax rate, but Illinois allows almost no deductions, thus more income is taxed at the 3% rate (just went up to 5%) resulting in a higher tax due than if one was a resident elsewhere. For exmaple, an Illinois resident working in neighboring Missouri would pay taxes to Missoui first equal to the full amount they would owe if a Missouri resident. This amount would be credited to their taxes due to Illinois, but most still owe more taxes to Illinois as the Missouri taxes paid (at 6% max.) is less than the Illinois tax due because Missouri allows greater deductions.

  On another note, Geo Bush (41) claimed to be a resident of Texas all the time he was VP & Pres living in Wash DC. (12 years) although he did not own a residence in Texas (but did own a home in Maine). His official resident address was a hotel suite in Houston.
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  Fallout 2014

  by wobble in

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  come 2014 even some dubs must start to ask wtf jesus has been doing for one hundred years, and there is a big potential for many to leave.. what more will the wt bull**it (writing) department come out with to keep the poor little drones feeding the hive, and maintaining the gb's rock-star life-style ?.

  the over-lapping generation tripe will be getting on for five years old by then, surely "noo lite" will shine that makes the big a even closer or somesuch ?.

  come on chaps, those poor saps in writing need your best ideas.

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  I think it's already been said: You can fool some of the people some of the time, but you can't fool 7.5Million people all of the time. (or can you?)
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  The Gloves Are Off - Its Official Round 1 has just taken place .. !!!!

  by sleepingbeauty in

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  i woke up today a right grumpy basket case.... not a good day for the jehovah's witness to call on me to do there usual shepherding call, bringing me the usual mags of shite!

  i stood there on the doorstep in my pj's, care free and all fired up.

  i was asked how i was doing & then informed that they had my latest mags.

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  I told them that they were False Prophets & that the Generation Teaching had been changed 14 or more times in the last 100 years. They didnt know what I was on about when I said it had changed again recently. I told them it had happened in the April 15th 2010 WT and they denied it.

  Isn't it incredible how many JDubs don't know their own doctrinal changes??? Don't THEY read the Watchtower???
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  In 25 Years Will The WT.Organization Still Be Around?

  by minimus in

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  i think so.

  and i doubt it'll grow much, if at all, but i think it will still be around.. what do you think?.

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  Of couse, and it's elders will now have the privledge of serving as Princes in the Paradise Earth under Kingdom Rule
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  Witnesses are coming to my house ....

  by wannabefree in

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  to drink alcohol and watch the packers!.

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  WTBST can prohibit boxing as too violent, yet fails to take same position on (US)football or soccer, tho there are more casualties. Those sports are way too popular for them to do so, I suspect.
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  Elders Will Be Notified & WILL FIND YOU in the Hospital

  by Aude_Sapere in

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  don't wait.

  update your advance medical directives before you find yourself in my situation.... .

  my left arm was feeling 'odd' last friday morning as i was getting dressed for work.

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  Aude -- (I realize this is an old post that was bumped recently) I'm wondering what was the end result? Did this open a huge can of worms for you?