Posts by DesirousOfChange

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Ant legal recourse?

by Huxley1979 in

jw
friends

hello everyone, if the elders start hounding someone to attend a judicial committee meeting is there any legal recourse that someone can take to make them back off?

i know that sometimes they will just at the threat of it.

thoughts?.

DesirousOfChange

Have the elders "invited" you to a JUDICIAL COMMITTEE (3 elders) or to meet with 2 Elders (investigative committee)?

IF they have already formed a "Judicial Committee" then they believe they already have the "evidence" to DF you. That would mean TWO eye witnesses or strong circumstantial evidence (ie you stayed overnight alone at the home of a lover). The 2 eye witnesses can be testifying to two different events (ie you spoke apostate ideas to both persons at different occasions; or 2 people saw you smoking at two different times).

If you are to meet only with TWO Elders, then they are still trying to "get the goods on you", hoping really for your "confession" or that you admit to the "sin". In this situation, you can DENY DENY DENY. Frankly, most elders will follow those rules -- with only ONE witness against you -- they'll drop the charges (and wait......). Or they'll hope you will answer the "apostate question": Do you believe the GB is the Spirit Directed channel used by Joe Hoover to direct the Flock?" (or something similar). If you say no or challenge that, then you have agreed that "you are no longer on of JW's".

If you are to meet with THREE Elders and you refuse to meet, they will DF you in absentia and call you (with two elders on the phone) to give you the results. The only way to avoid DFing is to meet with them and convince them the two witnesses are in error or lying, or to grovel for forgiveness and hope they find you "repentant". If you haven't been going to meetings, etc, then you do not "have the fruits" that prove you are repentant.

Good luck!

36

Ruth Bader Ginsburg has Died

by Simon in

so, a supreme court nominee up for grabs ....

DesirousOfChange

Trump might nominate someone. It's up to Mitch McConnell to bring the nominee to the Senate for confirmation. I can't see that happening before the election.

Ginsburg was nominated (by Bill Clinton) and confirmed in only 43 days with a vote 93-3 (those were the days of cooperation/compromise).

So there is time for Mitch to "get 'er done".

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Steal in Iran and Get Your Fingers Chopped Off!

by minimus in

jw
friends

three teens were convicted of stealing and the punishment is cut off their fingers.

some past punishments were finger and foot removal.

pretty barbaric but i bet they don’t have too many looters there..

DesirousOfChange

Probably their head.

193

My Prediction: Trump Wins Big

by minimus in

jw
friends

a month ago it might have been questionable.

not now.

after bader’s death and biden’s inability, this shouldn’t be close.

DesirousOfChange

Interesting to see how many who do NOT live in the United States has so much to say about American politics.

"When America sneezes, the whole world catches a cold."

Maybe that has something to do with it.

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Do Jehovah’s Witnesses “Witness” Any More?

by minimus in

jw
friends

i see no more preaching.

no more door knocking.

no more car groups.

DesirousOfChange

At this point they are buying food that would normally be bought by restaurants and handing it out to the elderly (my parents). I'm guessing that since they don't preach, this is how they are keeping their 501c3 status.

You're wrong Watcher. The food is being purchased by "you" -- the Government -- and they are using "charitable" organizations (incl religious groups) to distributed the food.

WATCHTOWER NEVER SPENDS THEIR OWN MONEY (Unless the judges forced them to pay for their child abuse in court.)

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Steal in Iran and Get Your Fingers Chopped Off!

by minimus in

jw
friends

three teens were convicted of stealing and the punishment is cut off their fingers.

some past punishments were finger and foot removal.

pretty barbaric but i bet they don’t have too many looters there..

DesirousOfChange

Do you wonder what they cut off for homosexuality?

40

Pic of old woman having no food but donating to Watchtower

by Darkknight757 in

i hope you are all doing ok and healing from the cult.

i’m looking for an image of the old woman donating to watchtower but also in the same pic looking in her fridge and having little to eat.

i need it for a video for youtube.

DesirousOfChange

But wait all of these GB members and their wives get 3 full meals a day, get complete health and dental care, get an insured car to use at their disposal, get comfortable accommodations which they dont even have to clean themselves, get to travel around the world by air and get treated like adorned celebrities.

Just think, we'll all have it that good just as soon as Hiden Biden is elected, ruled incompetent, Harris is installed, and AOL and Bernie start running everything.

MORE FREE SHIT FOR EVERYONE!

193

My Prediction: Trump Wins Big

by minimus in

jw
friends

a month ago it might have been questionable.

not now.

after bader’s death and biden’s inability, this shouldn’t be close.

DesirousOfChange

How about the mishandling and fumbling of the Covid virus that cost the lives of hundreds of thousands of American citizens ? I am now beginning to see why so many are being turned off by the comments on this web site. ~ FINK

Fink, you're a smart enough guy to (finally) see through the bullshit of the WTS, why are you so blinded to the propaganda of "the left". Any "mishandling and fumbling" that took place was at the hands of the "trusted experts" that flip flopped more than Hiden Biden has. You don't need to wear masks. OR Everyone must wear masks. WHICH IS IT? Conspiracy theories right and left. (Blaming people on both sides. See how I did that?)

A whole lot of the COVID news truly is FAKE NEWS. Both cases and deaths are exaggerated. We were scared when two of our family members (overweight 35-50 yo) tested positive. THREE DAYS of feeling crappy and that was it! Back to work in less than 2 weeks.

Please share how you have been so terribly affected by COVID. Out of work? Now financial at risk? Tested POS? Can't go to a restaurant? (BTW--Where do you live?) Can't get your hair done (since you're not House Speaker.)

We live on the "county line". One county requires masks but the other does not. One allows restaurants to open at 25% capacity where they're going bankrupt. The other allows normal operation. So yes, "everyone" is crossing the county line. (Just like the hypocritical Philly mayor crossed State lines to dine!)

You think Biden could have handled this "pandemic" any better? You're delusional! You need to review the Obama-Biden handling of H1N1. Thankfully it was not as contagious or lethal.

I think you are among those who would condemn Trump of starving aquatic life if he rescued someone under shark attack.

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Why do some politicians close down businesses but others politicians keep them open.

by pistolpete in

what was confusing at first when this pandemic started, was why in some states or, in the same state but different cities, or same city but different county, or same county but different towns, some of the leaders like city council, mayor, or governor would shut down businesses in one area, but allow other businesses of the same nature to stay open.

for example, shut down a car wash in one area of town, but allow another car wash to stay open in another area of town.

the answer is very simple----corruption by the leaders.. this is why voting is not only important, but, also getting to know as much as possible who you are voting into office.

DesirousOfChange

I'm very well acquainted with a doctor who saw to it that his family members received hydroxychloroquine, Zinc, and Z-packs when family members tested pos for COVID. According to him, many of the local medical teams dealing with COVID patients were taking it prophylactically since the pandemic started.

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Do Jehovah’s Witnesses “Witness” Any More?

by minimus in

jw
friends

i see no more preaching.

no more door knocking.

no more car groups.

DesirousOfChange

I think serious "witnessing" has been in a steady decline for decades. I remember the COW (Circuit Overseer's Wife) that LOVED to knock on the door of the parsonage (Preacher's Residence)! She loved to "witness" to them. She was convinced JW's were right, everyone else was wrong, and she was happy to set their asses straight! That kind or attitude is LONG GONE.

Now, JW's skip over the preacher's house. They skip over the houses of anyone who was "argumentative" on an earlier call, ie, anyone who could legitimately question their JW doctrines. Nope. Those folks did not have the right heart attitude. No more pearls before swine. (Because the average JW could get stumbled by someone who really knows the Bible.)

For years before COVID, it was just ride around in the car or sit in the coffee shop and count your time. Then it was stand idly by the Literature Carts and stick your tail between your legs if anyone dared challenge you with a question. Now, since COVID, it's sit at home on Zoom and chat with other old JW's across town. YAWN!

I suspect Joe Hoover is going to have to make the "rocks cry out".