Posts by DesirousOfChange

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The Big Lie JW`s Tell The Courts !

by smiddy3 in

imho, its the one rodney spinks and terry o`brien parroting the governing body direction is that when somebody leaves the religion whether they just fade ,disassociate or even get disfellowshiped ,then they are in fact shunning all members of all congregations worldwide including family and friends ,.according to their testimony at the arc.. this is a blatant lie and misrepresents the truth,.and they know it.. when a person leaves the religion for whatever reason they are rejecting the governing body`s teachings ,doctrines and practices of the religion of jehovah`s witnesses and not all peoples associated within the congregations.. especially not family and friends who they may have long standing relationships with.. they try to shift the blame and put the onus on those who leave.. shame on them for perpetuating such a lie..

DesirousOfChange

Shame on them for perpetuating such a lie.

They have no shame.

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The Watchtowers

by BluesBrother in

edit .. i messed up the title, on this touchscreen tablet and now i can’t edit it !

the title should be “ the watchtower’s (sort of) apology for 1975 ….. sorry.

january 1st 1976, i remember that day when i heard a radio disc jockey gleefully announce that the world had not ended as jehovah’s witnesses had said it would .

DesirousOfChange

So WHAT?

DEUT 18:20-22 --20 "But the prophet who speaks a word presumptuously in My name which I have not commanded him to speak, or which he speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet shall die.’ 21“You may say in your heart, ‘How will we know the word which the LORD has not spoken?’ 22“When a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD, if the thing does not come about or come true, that is the thing which the LORD has not spoken. The prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him."

To continue to follow these men/prophets (Yes, they claimed to be God's prophet equal to Ezekiel. WT 1972 04/01 pg 197) is to directly go against the direction of God's Word.

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Trampling of the nation's, persecution of holy ones.

by Sardis in

matthew 24:15.

15 “therefore, when you catch sight of the disgusting thing that causes desolation, as spoken about by daniel the prophet, standing in a holy place (let the reader use discernment),.

luke 21:24 *(this scripture is incorrectly referenced to daniel 4:25. correct would be to revelation 11:2 nwt).

DesirousOfChange

The GB has done good work. They really push the preaching and make Jehovah's name known. ~ Sardis

Now that is total BULLSH!T!

JW's are the biggest failure in PR history.

Billions of (fake) hours counted and a shitload of money (all contributed by the R&F) in the effort of getting a message out to the public to save lives -- with what result? 1/10th of 1% of mankind has "gotten the message" about their survival.

1/10th of 1%

If hurricane warnings and tornado warnings and flood warnings achieved that same kind of results, (almost) everyone would die.

JC and Joe Hoover desperately need to find new PR representation!

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Are you new PIMO? (Physically In/Mentally Out)

by Iamallcool in

jw
friends

what is your story?

we would love to “hear” from you!

.

DesirousOfChange

In fact, after all these decades of door to door work, they barely know who JW's are and are either very open minded about them or couldn't care less about them. ~ Pete

SO TRUE!

In fact, any Fortune 500 Company would hire new PR reps if they got such bad results. JW's are a failure!

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The Watchtowers

by BluesBrother in

edit .. i messed up the title, on this touchscreen tablet and now i can’t edit it !

the title should be “ the watchtower’s (sort of) apology for 1975 ….. sorry.

january 1st 1976, i remember that day when i heard a radio disc jockey gleefully announce that the world had not ended as jehovah’s witnesses had said it would .

DesirousOfChange

I'd estimate that at least 50% of current JW's do not even remember the 1975 fiasco. They were not even born yet. The fact is that you have to be a born-in and at least 60 years old to recall it all. And you know damn well not to EVER mention it.

What any one else learns about it when they discover it, the info is based on the "WT spin". You know the spin. The "brothers" (GB) never said that! Some people "ran ahead" of the organization. But you can find a lot of exaggerated misinformation from apostates.

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Annual service report - yet another analysis - big trouble for the WTS

by FFGhost in

jw
friends

there's already been a couple of threads on the 2021 report with insightful comments, but i'm vain enough to want to start my own topic with some additional thoughts..... as others on the other thread noted, it's useful to compare the 2021 numbers not only to 2020 but also 2019 (the last non-pandemic report).. there are some really troubling (if you're a wt headquarters guy) news in the latest report.. 1) baptisms plummet.

2021 - 171,393. baptisms dropped 20% in 2020, and 30% more in 2021. the total drop from 2019 to 2021 is an amazing 44%.. one could argue that without in-person assemblies and conventions you'd expect baptisms to drop.

but....if someone really wants to get baptized, jws will find a way.

DesirousOfChange

Thanks for the great summary!

The drop in baptism numbers does not surprise me. JW's have been dunking their kids at an earlier age year after year. I am aware of an 8 year old being baptized in a neighboring Cong. I can just hear the CO espousing how it will protect her in the future when she is faced with decisions (dating, association, alcohol, drugs, cigs), but IMO it's impossible to defend that an 8 year old is mature enough to make the most important decision of their life. Doubtful this kid is even allowed to determine their own bedtime.

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Trampling of the nation's, persecution of holy ones.

by Sardis in

matthew 24:15.

15 “therefore, when you catch sight of the disgusting thing that causes desolation, as spoken about by daniel the prophet, standing in a holy place (let the reader use discernment),.

luke 21:24 *(this scripture is incorrectly referenced to daniel 4:25. correct would be to revelation 11:2 nwt).

DesirousOfChange

Welcome!

I bet you've been here before under a different name.

Trying to make something meaningful out that BS doctrine written by goat herders will make a person crazy!

Guess you're not taking your Depakote?

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Can Jehovah's Witnesses explain the overlapping generation?

by pistolpete in

i found this interesting topic on the current views among jws regarding the overlapping generation.. the posts are hilarious.

how do most jehovah's witnesses explain the overlapping generation?.

i've asked a couple of jws to explain the overlapping generation and they directed me to the website jw------org.. either they don't know, or they do know but don't want to discuss it because they know it's bogus and embarrassing.. either way, surely they must know that this just extended the last days another 80 years from the time fred franz died.

DesirousOfChange

There's always something terrible going on the world to keep an end times religion afloat.

Yep!

WW 1

Great Depression

WW 2

Since things were going along pretty well in the 1960's, in 1966 Freddy F. concocted the 1975 doctrine.

9/11

End of the Millennium/20th Century

Covid-19 is the new sign of The End. (At least for now.)

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Can Jehovah's Witnesses explain the overlapping generation?

by pistolpete in

i found this interesting topic on the current views among jws regarding the overlapping generation.. the posts are hilarious.

how do most jehovah's witnesses explain the overlapping generation?.

i've asked a couple of jws to explain the overlapping generation and they directed me to the website jw------org.. either they don't know, or they do know but don't want to discuss it because they know it's bogus and embarrassing.. either way, surely they must know that this just extended the last days another 80 years from the time fred franz died.

DesirousOfChange

I know very few JW's who could have explained the original doctrine of "this generation" and explained how JW's arrive at 1914 as the start of the Last Days Times, time, and half a time and 2520 years from a year for a day and all that mumbo jumbo.

Do ya see that BS in an recent publications? Or, on JW(dot)Borg? NO! They simply state that 1914 was the beginning of the Gentile Times and of the prophesied Last Days. Yeah, dumbass, it's simply a matter of record.

JW's used to call at the doors with THREE scriptures and a 192-page book for a Bible Study.

Then 32-page brochures took over more-or-less (less cost to print).

Then 1 or 4 page tracts. (Remember the "Kingdom News" series?)

NOW JW's CARRY A BUSINESS CARD STATING GO TO JW(DOT)bORG. And thanks to Covid, they just mail it in the mail randomly and anonymously. (But evidently sometimes they draw pretty shit on the envelope.)

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Can Jehovah's Witnesses explain the overlapping generation?

by pistolpete in

i found this interesting topic on the current views among jws regarding the overlapping generation.. the posts are hilarious.

how do most jehovah's witnesses explain the overlapping generation?.

i've asked a couple of jws to explain the overlapping generation and they directed me to the website jw------org.. either they don't know, or they do know but don't want to discuss it because they know it's bogus and embarrassing.. either way, surely they must know that this just extended the last days another 80 years from the time fred franz died.

DesirousOfChange

We don't have many regular conversations anymore with JW's, but the few we do with JW family and an occasional "bump in" don't seem to concentrate on the "generation" aspect, bur rather just the NEARNESS. Any day now. Very, very soon. And isn't that evident by all the fulfillment of the signs ? Wars. Pestilence. (That's a biggie right now.) etc.

Consider too that once a JW gets up there is age where their life is sealed -- that is, no longer any chance of making much of the change in the course they are on -- they have to believe it is near or else admit they will die.