DesirousOfChange

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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  original reddit post (removed).

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  DesirousOfChange

  I'd have never, Never, NEVER (in a million years) believed there would ever be enough interest in Lloyd to generate over 300 pages of comments.
  
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  Michael's Story (JW commits suicide)

  by RolRod in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this is the story of michael.

  a 4th generation jw.

  elder, husband, father with relational ties to marley cole.. pimo, stepped down as elder, and the body went after him tooth and nail.

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  DesirousOfChange

  Such a destructive organization ...

  So true. I detest government meddling in anything (because they usually f*&k it up), but this is one thing that I'd like to see so-called "hate crimes" legislation or their failure to respect Freedom of Religion cost them their tax exempt status. I cannot see that happening in the US right now. Religion is "untouchable" for politicians for they fear it will cost them re-election, but I can see some of the stricter laws on these things elsewhere being used to "come down" on them.

  Follow The Money! You have to hit them where it hurts the most. Their bank account.
  
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  Can you list the positive points of being a JW as against the negative points of being a JW in your experience ?

  by smiddy3 in

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  2. beliefs

  i was a twenty y/old when i converted to the jw religion and was a problem drinker and i was a chain smoker .when i was baptized at a circuit assembly a year later , my conversion and change in lifestyle was given as an example of the effectiveness of incidental witnessing to the audience.. so i can point to the 2 positives becoming a jw .. 1.i gave up smoking.

  2.i gave up drinking for a while ,but because i still had association with my wife`s and my family who were not jw`s ,i learnt to control my social drinking when i started again.. and i have been a responsible drinker ever since ,even though i left the religion 29 years ago.. the negative points of being a jw in my 32 years of being one ?

  are far too great to list here .. love to hear your thoughts..

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  DesirousOfChange

  I think there are good things that can be said about being a JW and living by those "rules" does have advantages. I know of people's lives that have been changed dramatically for the better when becoming a JW and giving up booze, drugs, etc.. Sure they could have gotten that elsewhere . . . . . but they didn't.There is also the benefit of having a network of people willing to come to your aid in a crisis. IMO that is RARE elsewhere.
  

  My primary gripe is the harmful affect being a JW has on personal achievement, ie, education and pursuing things that make one successful in life. One cannot give all of their time and effort to an Organization (see there, I did NOT say Cult) at the expense of one's own welfare without it having serious negative affects on their financial well-being and otherwise (even the matter of pursuing work that is "doing good" for "society". And then there are also the issues of being an "oddball" in society and the health risks (ie, blood transfusion ban).

  But bottom line, there ARE some positive factors/benefits as a JW (IMHO).
  
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  14 kids dead and one teacher at Texas school shooting.

  by jojorabbit in

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  another shooting, this time 14 kids dead more wounded and a teacher dead.

  i am all for the second amendment and this does not change my mind.

  but i do hate this kind of thing, makes my stomach turn.

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  DesirousOfChange

  I believe that the bigger issue here is that we do not punish illegal ownership as harshly as we should,

  Seems to me that we don't "punish" illegal anything now.

  Also, I had to stop and take note of the commenter who compared abortions to shooting deaths.

  Over 600,000 unborn babies "murdered" vs fewer than 25,000 homicides by all means, and about 500 deaths from mass shooting incidents (worst year, 2019).

  We need a new bumper sticker: "(Only) Some Lives Matter"
  
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  Thanks for this site!

  by Foolednomore in

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  thanks for this site and six screens of watchtower.

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  DesirousOfChange

  Somehow I doubt Simon appreciates the two sites being linked in the same comment.
  
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  Prediction of how Watchtower going to be in 5 Years.

  by Foolednomore in

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  2. friends

  i can see it that watchtower will become an online/tv based group with just con-vention hall$.. field service would be letter writing and phone preaching, door to door is done.. watchtower will have pay to view programs and still ask for donations after all that.. zoom meetings are here to stay.

  kingdumb halls will be sold off except for con-vention venues, or need for new ones$.. df'ing will continue.

  the craziness will continue.

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  DesirousOfChange

  I have elders coming into my businesses and tell my that Geehovah blessed me well and I need to give back to Geehovah.

  
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  The attorneys gave us bad advice.

  by Lost in the fog in

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  the attorneys gave them bad advice, and when contacted the wt says we don't comment on specific cases.

  what a cop out!.

  https://www.dailyherald.com/news/20220521/jehovahs-witness-elders-who-failed-to-report-child-abuse-got-bad-advice-say-local-pastors-attorneys.

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  DesirousOfChange

  They will be applauded for "taking one [unscriptural judgement] for The Team". They suffer at the hands of Caesar who is no more than a puppet of the Devil.
  
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  original reddit post (removed).

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  DesirousOfChange

  It is a shame Lloyd Evans just isn't a better man.

  THIS!

  But it is not uncommon for someone who is struggling with a moral problem seeking to "get closer" to their God for some kind of penance. "Dear God, please forgive me for what I did and I will......." [do this for you].

  I suspect Lloyd was a real zealot as a young JW and still would be except they kicked him out. So, not being the kind of person to just go away, he went away mad and turned his energy toward "getting even" with the group that rejected him.

  So much for my Psych 101 class.

  Stepping off of soapbox,

  Doc
  
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  Start of the Great Tribulation will be announced soon

  by joey jojo in

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  2. beliefs

  at the 2021 annual meeting, samuel herd revealed new light and claimed the anointed will all have passed away before armageddon.

  it has since been revealed that while they will die before armageddon, there will be some anointed still around that will witness the start of the great tribulation.. so the question is, how many years until the existing members of the governing body have passed away?.

  im not a doctor, but based on their age and various stages of obesity, im thinking 10- 15 years- give or take, sounds about right.. with that in mind, the great tribulation could be announced any day.. the new understanding has now freed the org from the burden of having to identify a particular generation in relation to the date of armageddon.

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  DesirousOfChange

  It is threads like this that leave me incredulous - how did I , how did WE ever believe this stuff ?

  DITTO

  I'm embarrassed. I am certainly glad that, thanks to the pitiful accomplishments of the World Wide Preaching Work, all of my "worldly" friends really know very little about JW doctrine lest they would likely think I am a total sucker and fool.
  
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  What is "Brazen" conduct according to new 'Shepherd the Flock of God' book

  by TastingFreedom in

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  what is brazen conduct according to the watchtower?.

  here are some references from the new flock book:.

  they have really pushed the envelope to bundle a bunch of things into one really evil word.

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  DesirousOfChange

  This is the "catch-all" if they want you out but cannot really find you guilty of a "real" offense.