Posts by DesirousOfChange

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

DesirousOfChange

"Let he that is standing take heed that he does not fall."

I recall reading that somewhere. LE sure did sh!t in his nest.

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Could this be the end of JWs? What are the consequences if it is?

by Teddnzo in

multiple very serious allegations against tony and then huge efforts to remove him from all pictures and videos, have to admit it doesn’t look good.. once the pennsylvania investigation becomes public knowledge and front page news it will be very very hard for 8 million pimis.. is it possible that this could be the largest problem the branch has ever faced?

larger than 1975, the overlapping generations or any other ‘test of faith’.

many will feel heartbroken and betrayed.

DesirousOfChange

I'd guess that at least 50% of my peers left the religion in one way or another. Faded (before that was a term), DFd, etc. and I think the rate is even higher among JWs from my children's generation (children of our peers).

I am constantly surprised how many times one of my kids mentions that "he" or "so-and-so" is out when learning about former JW acquaintances from our Hall or Circuit. I'm thinking most families have at least some of their children who have left.

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Are Elders prepared to take the fall for WT/GB misdemeanor's / crime ??

by smiddy3 in

i have been thinking about this in relation to the directive given to elders to destroy any incriminating evidence they may have either on their pc`s ,e-mails , private notes in their possession, or notes in their witnessing bags ,etc.

to do with child sexual abuse they may still have in their possession.. isn`t that encouraging the elders to interfere with the justice system ?.

to break the law?.

DesirousOfChange

I think most of them are not savvy enough to understand the potential consequences.

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Could this be the end of JWs? What are the consequences if it is?

by Teddnzo in

multiple very serious allegations against tony and then huge efforts to remove him from all pictures and videos, have to admit it doesn’t look good.. once the pennsylvania investigation becomes public knowledge and front page news it will be very very hard for 8 million pimis.. is it possible that this could be the largest problem the branch has ever faced?

larger than 1975, the overlapping generations or any other ‘test of faith’.

many will feel heartbroken and betrayed.

DesirousOfChange

Once the Pennsylvania investigation becomes public knowledge and front page news it will be very very hard for 8 million PIMIs.

Don't you know the "front page news" is part of Satan's system and it was long foretold that Satan would attack Jehover's People.

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Faded then apostate?

by Teddnzo in

if someone has faded so they are not known as a jw for a few years there is no need to be disfellowshiped or announced that they are no longer a jw.. so they wouldn’t need to be shunned the same way as if they did a hard exit like writing a letter or something.. so if evidence arose that such a faded person was sinning there still would be no need to announce that they were no longer a jw the same as if they were known as a jw.

family members and members of the congregation would not shun them?.

what would happen if such a faded person became apostate?

DesirousOfChange

Years ago Publisher Record Cards were held for 8 years only. That is what identifies you as a member of a Congregation. Though I never saw it in print, general consensus was if you were "gone" (I don't think the term "faded" was applied yet), then you were considered a "man of the world" if something was reported -- as long as you were not identifying yourself as a JW.

As I understand it today, your final Publisher Record Report is kept indefinitely. I believe the reason for that is -- "just in case" -- just in case they WANT to go after you. Generally speaking, if you have faded for several years, they will "let sleeping dogs lie" if you are not agitating things. KInda the idea of "don't go away mad, just go away". But if you become an agitator ie, shit disturber or persona non grata (ax murderer, etc), they can go pull up that record and formally oust you.

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Why do JW apostates tend to be activists against the religion?

by Vanderhoven7 in

j. arden writes.

first of all an apostate is literally just someone who left.

most jws are technically apostates from the religions they were raised in.

DesirousOfChange

Because they wish to protect themselves from any further harm, as well as protect others before they suffer as much harm.

It's like posting NO SWIMMING signs when sharks are found to present in the water.

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Fellow exElders: did you ever get to hear of ...

by no-zombie in

when i was serving as an elder, it because relatively common to hear of wild drunken house parties of witness youths.

i investigated one, it was so bad that the cops turned up and found empty bottles of whiskey on the lawn and smashed out on the road.

but every led went cold, with all the kids clamming up.

DesirousOfChange

Unfortunately, I only heard of them AFTER they were over.

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If JW is not the truth, then what is the true religion?

by TxNVSue2023 in

even though i'm disfellowshiped ( & i belive wrongfully so).

i still belive this is the truth.

i have been d'f for about 8 months now and working on reinstatement.

DesirousOfChange

How do you defend (Divine) TRUTH having any imperfection?

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PIMI wife told to go against her husband and take the vaccines?

by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

if a pimi sister has been told by her unbelieving husband not to take these experimental vaccines then what is official jw policy in this situation?.

should she go against her husband and tell him i will do what the men at my church tell me?.

what on earth will the husband think then?