Jehovah will expose all of it in time. ~ EasyPrompt
The courts will certainly expose it all ~ NotFormer
Based on Habakkuk 1:2-4, I think we'd better bet on the Courts.
DesirousOfChange
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Two biggest issues for Watchtower right now
by Teddnzo inselena accused tony morris of being involved in child abuse and the pimo bethelite who just got kicked out.
let’s see how this rolls out.
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1975 Washington DC. Kingdom Ministry School.
by Atlantis in1975 washing dc, kingdom ministry school that lasted for 2 weeks, with russell cantwell as the instructor.. .
https://imgbox.com/zykcnigq.
were any of you brothers there?.
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DesirousOfChange
Kingdom Ministry School that lasted for 2 weeks
I remember my dad going in the late 1960's. It was in Pittsburg and Albert Schroeder was one of the instructors. Everyone in attendance was in awe of Judah Ben who was just a child then.
How many elders do you think would be attending KM School if it were still a 2-week obligation?
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Pornography in the Marriage
by LostintheFog1999 inthe magazine that they are studying in the congregation this month has an article at the back about how pornography in a marriage could damage the relationship.. there's one piece of advice that sounds rather scary, the wt suggests that the couple should "consider asking an elder with whom you are both comfortable to sit in and guide your discussions for a time.".
how many of you would want an elder present in your home while you and your partner discussed your personal sexual cravings and the type of porn videos being watched?.
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How many of you would want an elder present in your home while you and your partner discussed your personal sexual cravings and the type of porn videos being watched?
"Anything you say, can and will be used against you."
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Has anybody ever heard of this in their local area
by joe134cd ini heard of a jw wedding that:.
(a)wasn’t done in a kh, and was performed by an elder.
(b)the ceremony was done on a sunday.. i find this surprising for 2 reasons.
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Any young couple who confesses to fooling around before the wedding is banned from using the Kingdom Hall. I know of a couple cases where the actual wedding was moved to the reception venue because of that. Others, I think, might choose to be married elsewhere if they don’t want to be stuck with JW music only. Let’s be honest, the new JW songbook sucks.
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My conclusion on the matter
by ExBethelitenowPIMA inafter being brought up a jw, going to mts, bethel, pioneer school multiple times, serving in foreign assignments and having been an elder for decades my conclusion is that i am now pima, physically in mentally agnostic.. agnostic means you think it can’t be proven either way creation or evolution.
i do tend to lean towards evolution but creation at the very start because you can’t get life from dead matter.
but i’m open to the possibility of chance theory at the origin of it all.
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I realise [sic] I don’t have a strong faith in the Bibles promises but I do have hope. . . . . If you believe the chance theory there is no hope of anything better. You have maybe a few decades left of this life and then that’s it you’re dead. No purpose to anything. Life is meaningless. ― ExBethelitenowPIMA
I think the worst realization upon awakening is coming to terms with the fact that there likely is no Sky Daddy who will "make all things right" in the future. Injustices will never be corrected. Those who are "evil" will not get what they deserve in way of any kind of "divine punishment".
At least I do not see any evidence to convince me otherwise, although I would love to see such. I would love to be able to believe in that former "hope" that I once had. But I see no advantage to believing in what I perceive to be "false hope". Still, I don't think that means there is no purpose to life or that life is meaningless. It is what you make of it.
And then............."that's it, you're dead." And I think I have adopted the attitude of Mark Twain.
“I do not fear death. I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it.” ― Mark Twain
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THIS is how Jehovah operates? Examining GB Jefffrey Winder's words
by Terry ingoverning body member jeffrey winder on jw dot org:“we are not embarrassed about ‘adjustments’ that are made; nor is an apology needed for not getting it ‘exactly right’ previously.
we understand: this is how jehovah operates.”
1952 no wt 6/1/52 p.338 1965 maybe they will be resurrected .
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I wept. I grieved. FOR WHAT?
I grieved for the years of my youth I'd never get back in which I sacrificed myself (my time) for abso-fucking-lutely NOTHING. For people who claimed to LOVE me but instantly did NOT. — TerryThough I wasn’t “kicked out” (at least not officially), as I read that I thought you were writing MY story. And you were. For me, and countless others. It is absolutely impossible to measure the damage done to so many innocent persons.
I gather you escaped while in your 30’s. Evidently, I’m a “slow learner” as it took me another 20 years.
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How frequent is this among Jehovah's Witnesses
by vienne inmy grandmother, an immigrant from austria, was.
two of my aunts, their husbands, both elders, various cousins and two of my sisters are witnesses.
so is my grand uncle.
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I would suspect that he has nothing maturely to leave to the organization. If he had a huge estate and provided a copy of his will designating WTS as the prime beneficiary, they would have people there 24/7 wiping his ass.
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JWLITE
by Teddnzo ineven elders can be part of the new jw lite brigade these days.
they don’t need to go on door to door anymore and there is no requirement for anything really.. taking meeting parts is all dead easy you could turn up on the day with zero preparation because it’s all in the meeting workbook.. quarterly elders meetings are just old men having a good old natter just like old men do down the pub.. congregations could be likened to pubs or bars these days just without the drinks, those come at other times.. no need for territory maps, these almost went away with covid letter writing now they are extremely slow getting finished as those who still go door to door only do ten mins.. you could even voice your questions these days about things the gb say and then just say “we can’t be dogmatic we just don’t know”.
i predict they will say this about 1914 soon..
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They might have STATED “we are not inspired, and we get things wrong” and “we can’t be dogmatic because we don’t know”, BUT THEY DON’T MEAN IT! And I don’t believe you’ll ever see it be put into practice.
Similarly, they had statements made under oath before the Canadian Court that anyone who is DF/DA is NOT shunned in any way other than being excluded from “spiritual matters”. That was, and is clearly a blatant lie and total bullshit.
Rather, I think what will REALLY be put into practice will continue to be “OBEY US, even if it doesn’t seem rational”, followed up with “Do you believe that Jehovah is using the GB to direct his people today.“
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Can the Watchtower Society survive without time reports?
by DT inthere has already been much discussion about how the watchtower society has declared in australia that going door to door is part of a personal ministry.
this seems to be a lame attempt to avoid liability considering that they require time reports and have formal meetings for field service at the kingdom hall.. this is a bit of a dilemma.
reporting time and formal meetings for field service are important methods of control, however it's not clear if the organization is willing or able to handle the potential liability that may come from this.. imagine what would happen if they lost these methods of control.
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Can they survive without time reports? Definitely! Most JDubs will look favorably on no longer having to struggle to get their 10 hours to be "average".
I was kinda surprised because they have always put great emphasis on having that 10 hour average to qualify as a MS or elder, but more recently it looks like they have lowered the requirements to just being capable of fogging a mirror.
What they cannot survive without is MONEY. After cashing in on $1.5 BILLION$ (or more) from the sale of the Brooklyn real estate, I find it hard to believe they are really desperate for ca$h, but they sure sound desperate. While still a JW I was embarrassed by their begging (since they said that would indicate a loss of Holy Spirit), but they sure are groveling constantly now for money. Hard to believe that after the severe downsizing and slashing of their costs (almost no printing; staff size greatly reduced) that their expenses are higher than their receipts (ie, definite "rental fees" of assembly halls and now even guaranteed contributions from every congregation.
There is no transparency. It will take someone in the finance office defecting to know more.
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Son out?
by Nantiques inour son joined the wts 20 years ago.
we, his parents and siblings are not jws.
he is now 41. he knew we were "opposers" from the beginning, and so we were pretty much shunned by him.
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Sounds like things are looking up for you. I'd guess that his "reset" doesn't include JWs/Watchtower anymore. At 41 years old, he should at least be an MS, or even an elder. Your description of him (long hair & beard) tells us that he is neither. You don't mention him having any kind of family (your grandkids, etc) so I'm guessing he is still single. Celibacy isn't a lifestyle chosen by most men. The JWs more than just frown on a guy that's getting some romance outside of marriage and even look even harsher if he's gay.
I wouldn't push him for details about the religion. Just take advantage of the renewed opportunity to connect.