DesirousOfChange

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  consequences for going against the direction.

  by jehovaxx in

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  there are no serious consequences for doubting the gb.

  there are no consequences for going against the direction.

  we can now celebrate anything.. what will happen if you take blood, celebrate xmas and birthdays ect?.

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  This sounds like PR spin rather than an actual change

  We will have to see how all of these "drastic changes" really work in the real world of WT. So far, we see big changes in what's written for public consumption, but will it really be implemented? An even bigger question is: Will it ever be implemented with as drastic of changes and as liberally interpreted by the wishful thinking JWs and ex-JWs and PIMOs, etc?

  Will it really be evenly implemented in all locations? This drastic adjustment stems from issues WT is facing in Europe. They will never face these things in the USA due to the long-held "separation of Church and State" policy. US politicians do not want to alienate the Christian block of voters (and other denominations would rally against anything challenging that policy). So, IDK if we will really see it in practice here in the US as liberally as is suggested. Likely, a lot could depend on the local BOE. If the BOE is out to get ya, you better start your "fade", or at least relocate to a more friendly congo. Time will tell.
  
  
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  Forget 1914, the 1975 generation are now passing away!

  by nowwhat? in

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  we still have quite a few elderly here that came in as young families in the late 1960's-early 70's because soon, yes very soon they would enter the new system and never grow old.

  it's now one year away from 50 years since 1975. just in the last couple years i've seen them come down with alzheimer's, cancer, brain tumors, becoming invalid etc.

  the children of them that are now around 60 are just so distraught at seeing their parents deteriorate.

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  1975 was getting closer every year. But by 72 i'd decided i had enough--and resigned. Suddenly 75 didnt matter any more. - Stan

  You were "smarter than the average bear", Stan. I'm sure many of us wish we'd have made that decision years before we did!

  
  
  
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  GB Update #2, March 2024: Women allowed to wear pants, no ties/coats required if not giving a talk, & now able to greet DF ones in the KH!

  by WingCommander in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  you heard me correct, this is not a joke, and it is not april fools day!

  the asl portion of the governing body updated #2 (march 2024) has been released a bit early and someone caught it.

  summary: .

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  DesirousOfChange

  It’s as if the GB are reading our suggestions here

  Without a doubt they have someone monitoring these sites. I have always felt that the people here are the people who formerly were the best & brightest in the organization. Our discussions here have often seemed to be the "outline" for future New Light.

  Your welcome WT!
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  ARTICLE: Jehovah’s Witnesses investing more than $50M on Woodbury project

  by AndersonsInfo in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  https://libn.com/2024/03/04/jehovahs-witnesses-investing-more-than-50m-on-woodbury-project/.

  long island business news.

  march 4, 2024. the christian congregation of jehovah’s witnesses, which bought the former geico property in woodbury for $27 million in dec. 2022, plans to spend at least another $23 million to build an assembly hall and two support buildings on about half of the site.

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  However, the facility in Fishkill for retirees is full per the last report I heard. Space only gets freed up upon someone's death. I was told they needed more space for older B'lites who were getting too old to work, past the age of being sent out.

  Thomas, is this some type of "nursing home" facility? I seem to recall Judah Ben's FIL getting involved in some kind of elderly care facility which I assumed was for JW's and would rely on Medicaid funds but yes, it would come under State regulations. WT knows how to milk the system. Any chance this is the same place?
  
  
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  An april afternoon with Steven Lett in Amsterdam

  by Gorb in

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  in april, on a sunday afternoon the ajax soccer stadium in amsterdam will be filled with all dutch witnesses for a special visit of steven lett.. never done before in holland.

  ofcourse it will be better then ever.

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  He'll still look like a clown in any language!
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  Elder abuser in Sunshine Coast down under (?)

  by carla in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  not sure if this has been posted or not, apologies if it has.

  i did a quick search and did not see it.

  https://archive.md/5zcdi -a sunshine coast jehovah’s witness figure accused of horrific sex crimes has been remanded in jail for fresh offences which allegedly occurred the same day he attended court.. and https://archive.md/r2o6x -a sunshine coast jehovah’s witness figure who allegedly used his position in the church to sexually assault young men has been arrested by police.

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  DesirousOfChange

  The title says "Elder".

  Thank you for clarifying, Earnest!

  So, unless abuse was reported to the BOE and they failed to take action to prevent further abuse, I don't see where the Congregation or Organization is culpable. I AM NOT defending WT regarding their CSA issues, but I don't see their involvement here. Surely, the man is a monster. He has forever f#cked up the lives of these victims.
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  Elder abuser in Sunshine Coast down under (?)

  by carla in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  not sure if this has been posted or not, apologies if it has.

  i did a quick search and did not see it.

  https://archive.md/5zcdi -a sunshine coast jehovah’s witness figure accused of horrific sex crimes has been remanded in jail for fresh offences which allegedly occurred the same day he attended court.. and https://archive.md/r2o6x -a sunshine coast jehovah’s witness figure who allegedly used his position in the church to sexually assault young men has been arrested by police.

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  DesirousOfChange

  He was an elder? The article I read said he was only a member of the congregation. Reprehensible no matter what.

  Is there any clarification on whether he was in an appointed position of any kind when the abuse happened?

  IF NOT -- if only a member of the JW congregation -- or a "publisher", did any of the abuse happen at JW events? Bookstudy? Field service? Bible study with the minor? Was there a JW investigation (2 elders or JC of 3 elders) that ignored the allegations perhaps do to the 2-witness rule?

  If none of the above is true, is the Congregation or the JW Branch guilty of anything? I doubt if any church or organization scrutinizes all the "members" -- parishioners who simply walk through their doors and attend a service.

  Yeah, he's still a scumbag. But is there anything making the Congregation or Organization accountable?
  
  
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  Forget 1914, the 1975 generation are now passing away!

  by nowwhat? in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  we still have quite a few elderly here that came in as young families in the late 1960's-early 70's because soon, yes very soon they would enter the new system and never grow old.

  it's now one year away from 50 years since 1975. just in the last couple years i've seen them come down with alzheimer's, cancer, brain tumors, becoming invalid etc.

  the children of them that are now around 60 are just so distraught at seeing their parents deteriorate.

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  DesirousOfChange

  Thats because the closer you get to "truth" and debunking someones beliefs,, the more angrier,, hostile and aggressive they become.

  
  YOU CANNOT MAKE THEM HEAR!
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  Elder abuser in Sunshine Coast down under (?)

  by carla in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  not sure if this has been posted or not, apologies if it has.

  i did a quick search and did not see it.

  https://archive.md/5zcdi -a sunshine coast jehovah’s witness figure accused of horrific sex crimes has been remanded in jail for fresh offences which allegedly occurred the same day he attended court.. and https://archive.md/r2o6x -a sunshine coast jehovah’s witness figure who allegedly used his position in the church to sexually assault young men has been arrested by police.

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  DesirousOfChange

  Those news articles are from 2022. Evidently the Aussie court system moves as slow as it does here in the US.
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  Forget 1914, the 1975 generation are now passing away!

  by nowwhat? in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  we still have quite a few elderly here that came in as young families in the late 1960's-early 70's because soon, yes very soon they would enter the new system and never grow old.

  it's now one year away from 50 years since 1975. just in the last couple years i've seen them come down with alzheimer's, cancer, brain tumors, becoming invalid etc.

  the children of them that are now around 60 are just so distraught at seeing their parents deteriorate.

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  DesirousOfChange

  An elder once told me the WT Society had never said anything about 1975.

  I think that's why I continue to hang on to a couple of boxes of old JW literature that are in the way in my garage. They mean nothing to me any longer. I do not need them for reference. But if some dumb ass JW made that statement to me I can drag out the damn publication where they said all that BS.