DesirousOfChange

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  Did you suffer from not saluting the flag in school as a kid?

  by Sea Breeze in

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  what happened?.

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  DesirousOfChange

  Can you show references from JW literature where parents are encouraged to throw disfellowhipped minors/teenagers out of their house?

  One does not need "references from JW literature". I can show you all the evidence in real life situations. I could easily name 6 families from my Cong and surrounding congs where parents are totally shunning their DF children. The smart kids are SHUNNING THEIR JW PARENTS. That is, they absolutely refuse to let their parents visit with their grandchildren. One JW sister (who we dearly love) does not understand why her daughter does this. It's because they see their family as a "package deal". If you shun me -- I and all of my family (incl your grandkids) will SHUN YOU.

  One of the above couples (the parents) that I have in mind-- both are born-in; he's an elder; and they were PISSED OFF when they saw the Canadian WT attorney's testimony as he BRAZENLY LIED under oath in Court. And that is when they decided to no longer take the "hard shun" against their DF kids (and their families). He's still an elder. Now, he & his wife just LIE about whether they associate with their DF kids. That's right -- theocratic warfare can work both ways!!

  Dreary -- you're trying to defend what cannot be defended. Open your eyes. Quit drinking the KoolAid.
  
  
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  JW's in the Hot Seat in Czech Republic

  by Sea Breeze in

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  2. beliefs

  looks like things are heating up in the czech republic over the horrifying practice of shunning children that ask the "wrong" questions.

  kids now days have access to all of the watchtower's lies, manipulations, unnecessary deaths, flip flops, rejection of jesus as mediator etc, etc.

  i predict this issue of shunning children will continue to threaten free government money that the wt receives.

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  DesirousOfChange

  Were the recent changes simply a smokescreen to JW's in order to slide in the change to practices surrounding disfellowshipping and butter up Norway and by extension the EU?

  That seems obvious. I would suspect they may think they just have to formally make these changes but attempt to not really change things, which is kind of what they did with the Blood Issue in (was it Bulgaria?). If someone refuses to "repent" then they still won't be DF'd. Instead they will have DA'd themselves by their actions.

  It will particularly be interesting to see if any real changes are limited to Europe, where they have their tit in the ringer already. The USA isn't going to stick its nose into religious issues -- not even shunning.

  They better be cautious. There are NO secrets anymore. IF they try to just fake change, it will be exposed on the internet.
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  Was it Designed?

  by Jeffro in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the jw website is currently featuring a piece: the shell of the diabolical ironclad beetle​—was it designed?

  it is part of their regular tedious 'was it designed?

  ' series that purports that very very specific animal species must have been specifically designed because of some seemingly amazing feature.. but they seem completely unaware that this directly contradicts their notion that only very broad 'kinds' were required on the mythical 'ark'.

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  DesirousOfChange

  What are you saying Cofty?

  Between the two choices, you might side with the talking snake?

  I thought of suggesting you post your 40 statements on evolution again, but . . . . probably not worth the effort. Most people only accept any "new evidence" if it supports their own conclusions.
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  Can God Change his Mind?

  by peacefulpete in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  is 31:yet he also is wise and will bring disaster and does not retract his words.. 1 sam 15: furthermore, the eternal one of israel does not lie or change his mind, for he is not man who changes his mind.. numbers 23: god is not a man who lies, or a son of man who changes his mind.

  does he speak and not act, or promise and not fulfill?.

  when the god you worship pronounces judgement, is he, really just issuing a warning or has the matter been determined through all the godly powers of insight, foresight and perfect judgement?

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  DesirousOfChange

  Man created gods in their image . Why would man do that?

  IDK, but isn't that what Isaiah 44:15 describes?
  
  
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  Did you suffer from not saluting the flag in school as a kid?

  by Sea Breeze in

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  2. beliefs

  what happened?.

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  DesirousOfChange

  Once again, JWs were just ahead of their time.

  Or is it that "taking a knee" is preferable to just remaining seated?

  
  
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  s-395 Adjustments-to-handling-serious-wrongdoing-in-the-congregation

  by gavindlt in

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  this was posted on jw leaks.. my truth's | dad seeking truth.

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  DesirousOfChange

  Well, today, that would no longer happen.

  Really? Are you certain?

  I've seen or heard nothing but speculation regarding these "kinder & gentler" Judicial Committees. I am anxious to hear some real experiences of it.
  
  
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  Do you recognize the Truth? Watchtower July, 2024

  by Listener in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the stated focus of this study article is.

  focustraining ourselves to discern the difference between the truth we have learned from jehovah and the falsehoods promoted by satan and our opposers.. of course, the article goes on to claim that the truth is not only in the bible, but also from the watchtower organization.

  the first of two qualities needed to discern truth is -.

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  DesirousOfChange

  When Acts was written there was already a huge diversity of Christianities (a half dozen or so sects are cleverly referenced) and many of them evolved specifically due to the failure of the promised end.

  So now we know where WT gets it.
  2,000 years of pining away for the promised end.

  And I bet every one of them met their end before The End.

  And so it is today...............
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  Do you recognize the Truth? Watchtower July, 2024

  by Listener in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the stated focus of this study article is.

  focustraining ourselves to discern the difference between the truth we have learned from jehovah and the falsehoods promoted by satan and our opposers.. of course, the article goes on to claim that the truth is not only in the bible, but also from the watchtower organization.

  the first of two qualities needed to discern truth is -.

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  DesirousOfChange

  In both the WT and Acts what is encouraged is eagerness to accept how the church leaders interpret scriptures.

  But in the days when the book of Acts was written, had they already witnessed a century of false predictions?
  
  
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  Was it Designed?

  by Jeffro in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the jw website is currently featuring a piece: the shell of the diabolical ironclad beetle​—was it designed?

  it is part of their regular tedious 'was it designed?

  ' series that purports that very very specific animal species must have been specifically designed because of some seemingly amazing feature.. but they seem completely unaware that this directly contradicts their notion that only very broad 'kinds' were required on the mythical 'ark'.

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  DesirousOfChange

  Wondering if snakes still could talk by the time Noah was gathering them to the Ark?
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  JW's in the Hot Seat in Czech Republic

  by Sea Breeze in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  looks like things are heating up in the czech republic over the horrifying practice of shunning children that ask the "wrong" questions.

  kids now days have access to all of the watchtower's lies, manipulations, unnecessary deaths, flip flops, rejection of jesus as mediator etc, etc.

  i predict this issue of shunning children will continue to threaten free government money that the wt receives.

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  DesirousOfChange

  Russia. Spain. Norway. Czech Republic. Brazil.