DesirousOfChange

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  Does anybody on here TRULY believe in the Resurrection...and how?

  by itscrap&theyknowit! in

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  i really want to see my dad again!!!!

  i just wonder when this will occur.

  thousands of years have gone by.

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  DesirousOfChange

  I believe in the resurrection. Otherwise, why the examples in the Bible. (I also believe in the Bible.)
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  My Wedding Photos are. . .

  by leavingwt in

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  chock full of jehovah's witnesses.

  with the exception of my wife and my best man, they're all jws.

  jws who probably despise me.

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  DesirousOfChange

  I looked at some of our wedding pics recently. Reminder that we've been married A LONG TIME. Most of the folks in the background are JWs. Most are dead. They were all anticipating the BIG A in 1975. It didn't happen. However, most of them were able to witness the "end" in their lifetime.........or rather, the end OF their lifetime.
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  Watching the Leadership Crumble

  by Damn The Watchtower in

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  i watch the watchtower leaders crumble, slowly crumble.

  one nonsensical move after the other.

  you have no idea how this makes me feel.

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  DesirousOfChange

  avoid the actual preaching work as much as possible by shepherding,

  Dark Knight, I hate to be the one to tell you, but the elders are NOT spending their time shepherding. I know of many, many faithful pubs who have not had shepherding calls for 5, 6, or more years. Faithful ones who are caring for infirm family members, faithful ones who have illnesses, marriage issues, children issues. There just is NO shepherding being done. Isn't that obvious from the number of folks here who have FADED successfully? No one could fade if the elders were doing their shepherding "jobs".
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  My encounter today.....

  by Free!! in

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  let me start with: i havent been to a meeting in almost 2 years, i am "inactive" and the only contact i have w the jw is the an open minded jw friend who i talk to....since i left, i have done what i want, travel, get my nose pierced again (had it pierced before i baptized but they gave me hell for it, even thought the bible doesnt say anything bad about nose piercings) and hang out w "wordly" friends who smoke, drink and swear.... i don't smoke but lately i have been giving this friend a ride and he is a-pack a day type of guy... he left his pack in my car yesterday..... so, i am working evenings this week on a special project, and this morning i decided to run some errands.

  i was hungry so i stopped at macdonalds to grab some coffee... i placed my order thru the drive thru and pull over to the pay window, as i look for the money the drive-thru attendant says "wow, hello free!

  ", i look up and omfg one of the brothers from my congo... i acted like normal (sorry but i dont get nervous of agitated when i see a jw, i just dont give a dang) and smiled and made short conversation, while he is tellng me how much he misses seeing me at the hall, i see his eyes going between my piercing, my jet black goth hair and the pack of cigarettes on my passenger seat.... .

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  DesirousOfChange

  If you get a dialogue started, you must be careful to not say anything along the lines that you no longer consider yourself one of JWs or that you do not want to be a JW, or they will consider that as you disassociating yourself (that is IF you want to remain in a fade for the sake of family & friends).

  I do think you could reply with "Hi everything is fine/great/OK." They will surely come back with wanting to meet with you (at least 2 of them). If they call, you can be sure that 2 of them will be on the phone. So in either case be careful as to what you say. At some point THEY will bring up the cigarettes. I would mention that you noticed that you are aware Bro So-and-so saw them in your car and it was evident in his expression. HOWEVER, THEY ARE NOT YOURS! Rather, someone who got a lift from you and left the pack in your car accidentally. "Really!!!! You know I would NEVER take up such a disgusting habit! I don't even let anyone smoke in MY car!" "But I am kinda shocked that for the 2 years that I have been discouraged, NO ONE has called/texted me, but with in 2 hours that someone reports seeing the pack of cigs, you contact me!" "That's the kind of thing that has me discouraged about OUR CONG (NOT the Org.)." "Maybe I just need to change congs to find the encouragement I need?" "I'm really trying to work thru it all, I just need some time......AND, I've been so busy. THANK YOU for your concern, I just don't think it should have taken you TWO YEARS. DO YOU? Are all of you elders two years behind on your shepherding calls? I would think that would be a priority with the stress everyone is having in this wicked system right now!" IF Brother So-and-so is a responsible brother in the cong, you could ask: "BTW -- shouldn't Brother So-and-so really have said something to me PERSONALLY (Matt 18:15) rather than running and tattling to the elders?" "That doesn't make him seem like such a SPIRITUAL person to me." "Is he really still a MS/elder/pioneer????? considering the fact he doesn't follow Bible principles on something like this?"
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  is getting a blood transfusion in itself a DF offense?

  by oompa in

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  i know if you join the military it is considered that you have dissassociated yourself...but if you are in an accident and are given blood when you are unconcious...is that in itself reason for df?

  or what if you willingly accepted a blood transfusion?

  what if you do not show remorse or repentance or even refuse to meet with the elders?

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  DesirousOfChange

  There are no religious sanctions for a
  Jehovah's Witness who chooses to accept blood transfusion.

  BATS: That is their "official" PUBLIC stand, however, it is a LIE. the reality is that any JW who knowingly accepts blood is considered to have DA themselves by agreeing to something that is condemned in the Bible (according to JW doctrine).
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  My sister ask today, help me understand JW love.

  by jam in

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  she receive a call from my jw brother elder today,.

  he and his wife will be visiting my ex-jw wife and her husband.

  for a week.

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  DesirousOfChange

  This must be the new "School for Christian Couples" as the new elder school is only one week long.
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  Refuting Franz's Crisis of Conscience

  by irondork in

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  i'm about halfway through crisis of conscience.

  some pretty extraordinary stuff in there.. wondering, aside from telling people not to read "apostate material", has there been any official denial or refutation of the books contents by the watchtower society, official or otherwise?.

  side note: franz is a wonderful writer, if a bit repetitive in places.

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  DesirousOfChange

  But the Society will still keep its silence about both men for fear that their reach into the hearts and minds of rank-and-file Witnesses will extend beyond the grave.

  That "reach from beyond the grave" is called GOOGLE! If they refuted anything Ray Franz had to say it would just cause more people to Google his name...................then LOOK OUT!
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  Has there been a change on how JW's view those that have drifted away?

  by lonestar63 in

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  i wonder if an article in the wt came out telling them to reach out to those that have drifted away.

  i suspect the defection has been great in the last few years, and they're trying to bring some back.

  i've told my story here, how i was able to succesfully fade away along with my family, without being df'd.

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  DesirousOfChange

  For years they didn't care about us, and all of a sudden we've had no less than 4 visits in the last couple of months, which we've ignored.

  Could this be a follow up from the DC talk on the "Dragnet" parable, where they said there was a "Culling Work" now taking place. Those who lack the qualifications to be "fine" fish will eventually just stop associating. 18 million attend the Memorial, but over 10 million of them do nothing else. Evidently they are the ones being culled out and separated from the "fine" fish.
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  Long Call With Elder: Doesn't Know About "Generations/Overlapping"

  by daringhart13 in

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  i had a call with a good buddy......still an elder the other night.. when i mentioned generations/overlapping.......he had no clue what i was talking about.

  such a good man.......... but it doesn't matter.....they don't even realize what is being said to them; what is being done to them.

  a high stature elder in their organization....and he had no clue there was another change..... how the hell does this happen?.

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  DesirousOfChange

  The dumbing down of the organization also includes the dumbing down of elders as WELL as rank & file publishers.

  Of course the elders are dumbed down..............the smarter ones (who could read and think on their own) couldn't take it any longer. DUH?

  Amazing when the so-called apostates have to inform elders, CO, and all JWs about their "new light" stuff.

  Gayle, it's because there are VERY FEW JWs who read the literature as thorough as members here read it. If the GB/bOrg could get the Rank & File to study and read like apostates do................well...........they'd...........well.........they'd probably have more fading and DA than they do now. Come to think of it, that's probably NOT a good idea for them to encourage.
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  CONVENTION RELEASES

  by St George of England in

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  can anyone please tell me which talks at the convention are used for the new releases?.

  i just cannot manage to sit through all three days but would like to get the releases.. many thanks in advance.. george.

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  DesirousOfChange

  Friday-- Keynote Address: Who Are Preaching the Good News...... (brochures)

  Saturday-- release of new edition of YPA missed Sat, but I suspect Parents -- Shepherd Your Children....... on Sat afternoon

  Sun -- DVD Part #2 in released -- don't remember what talk. Either Drama or Final Talk