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  Apparently my mother-in-law invites herself to places…

  by garyneal in

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  well, the district convention of the jehovahs witnesses (gosh i cant believe i typed all that) came and went here in hampton, va and apparently our district is large enough to require two weekends at the coliseum to get everyone.

  my wife went both weekends.

  the first weekend, she went with some of her friends at her congregation on friday and boy was she super zealous that evening, all on fire and what-not, and talking about how good the talks were, etc.. she did not go the first saturday or sunday because her mom was coming to town the following weekend for the second convention.. her mom stays at our house and my wife goes all three days.

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  DesirousOfChange

  This type of thing is frequently true of pioneers and Bethelites (even former Bethelites) based on the principle of "gleaning":

  12/01/2003 WT -- "Jehovah arranged for the practice of gleaning. “When you people reap the harvest of your land,” God instructed, “you must not reap the edge of your field completely, and the gleaning of your harvest you must not pick up. Also, you must not gather the leftovers of your vineyard, and you must not pick up the scattered grapes of your vineyard. For the afflicted one and the alien resident you should leave them. I am Jehovah your God.” (Leviticus 19:9, 10)"
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  Rahab and her family under one roof constitutes God's only organization.

  by Marie B. Paraison in

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  does anyone know why rahab and her family does not constitute an example of god s one organization that was saved when jericho was destroyed?

  frankly, this story disrupts the corrupt pattern of the governing body of jehovahs witnesses teachings ( joshua 2:12-14).. noah and his family = "gods only organization was saved.".

  lots and his family = gods only organization was saved.".

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  DesirousOfChange

  Rahab had no penis.

  But I bet she knew what to do with one!

  Her livelihood kind of depended on that!

  ROFLMAO
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  Feeling a bit alienated

  by factfinder in

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  i notice mostly everyone at jwn was a "born-in".

  i actually chose to become a witness.

  i was born and raised jewish but by the time i was 15 i had lost interest in judaism and stopped practicing it.

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  DesirousOfChange

  I am always saddenned when despite the bible showing us that mistakes will happen we put our other brothers and the organisation on impossibly high pedestals and then stumble when they naturally fall. What makes us Jehovah's people is that we follow Jehovah!

  The Organization puts itself on a pedestal, puts the GB on a pedestal, and even puts the elders on a pedestal (tho somewhat lower than GB) and then demands that we all bow before it/them.

  What makes one (or keeps one) a Jehovah's Witness is following The Organization, which does not necessarily have anything to do with following Jehovah. Question anything about the Organization and you won't be a JW much longer.

  then [we] stumble when they naturally fall

  Why would the SPIRIT DIRECTED Organization ever "fall"?
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  Best way to step down from being a servant

  by RayPublisher in

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  hey i'm wondering if anyone can give some good advice on how to step down in the safest way.. i have served as an ms for a number of years, but can't do it anymore.

  i know too much i want to fade in the future when i get some family things straightened out.

  i can't move right now so that's out unfortunately.. what should i tell the body?

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  DesirousOfChange

  Congrats! Ray Pub! It's been over 5 years for me, and I don't miss any of it!

  Not wanting to hijack the thread, but the following statement surprised me:

  The waning MS population is ongoing and will only trickle up to the elders #s in the future. They have raised the bar to qualify much higher over the last 10-15 years than it used to be.

  How have they raised the standards for elders? Age (experience in life) has been lowered to where young guys in their late 20s are being appointed as elders. Of course some of them were appointed MS in their teens. This whole thread is about fabricating one's situation in an effort to step down from a voluntary position. WTF? It's DIFFICULT to get removed in recent years as they've LOWERED the standards so dramatically. I know of a deadbeat son, over 30 years old, can't hold a job, still sponging off of his (not elderly) parents, appointed an elder!

  First to go was getting drunk. Used to be, get drunk and you were OUT! Not anymore. Now you'd have to get a DWI while in an auto accident that made the front page of the newspaper. If now one knows of the drunkeness -- or perhaps only your immediate family -- or perhaps just couple other "mature" brothers (who were drinking with you -- always helps if you only get drunk with other elders) -- then ONE elders counseling you is sufficient. He'll tell you that you need to be more cautious about your drinking. (Meaning: Don't get caught)

  Recently is was PORN that went out the window for a reason to be deleted. In the past, glance at porn and you were OUT! Not anymore. Now, "soft" porn is SO COMMON that they wouldn't have any men serving if they held to that old policy. To be cause for deletion it would have to involve rape, violence, children, or other "abhorrent, sexually degrading content". Inviting others over to view increases the punishment level -- just like drinking, it's NOT that you do it.....it's only if OTHER PEOPLE KNOW YOU DO IT.

  You can be caught stealing, and if you make restitution and are not publicly prosecuted, you can continue to serve based on the fact that the "victim" evidently felt that the "wrong" had been "corrected" and/or did not see it bad since they did not prosecute.

  Raising standards? I don't see it.
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  How Many on JWNet are still JWs?

  by RayPublisher in

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  i've been wondering about this for some time.

  if there are 60,000+ registered users on here, what percentage are actual non-dfed or non-daed witnesses?

  if it was 1/3, that would be over 20,000 active/inactive witnesses that post and read these pages- and that's huge.

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  This question reminded me of a previous post which said that current (or at least former) COs were members here. True? Anyone care to fess up? Or, can anyone substantiate that?
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  How Many on JWNet are still JWs?

  by RayPublisher in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i've been wondering about this for some time.

  if there are 60,000+ registered users on here, what percentage are actual non-dfed or non-daed witnesses?

  if it was 1/3, that would be over 20,000 active/inactive witnesses that post and read these pages- and that's huge.

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  DesirousOfChange

  ....we now have sisters carrying the mics.

  I heard a CO give that advise over 20 years ago while in a cong where very few brothers were "reaching out". He said to have a sister (with head covering) read the paragraphs at the bookstudy and you'll see some lethargic brothers get there butt in gear. Never did see that happen, but I was told that one of the elders conducting his bookstudy read the paragraphs himself when no "qualifed" brothers were there. Several brothers there. Just no "qualified" ones.

  In our present cong is it not uncommon for some of the elders to walk the mics. I think it's an effort to appear humble rather than not having enough "qualified" men to do it.
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  what am i in for? i have 5 jw employees and now im dfd...

  by oompa in

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  only one is a guy...a mini serve .

  one is a reg pioneer.... all are actually pretty key to my biz....three have been there over 20 years (ya...i am a great boss!!!).

  how much pressure are they going to get to quit working for me???.

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  OOmpa -- One month has passed.................how many JW employees still working for you?
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  Not sure of what to do

  by Girlie in

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  i have a very close jw friend who i have known for a number of years.

  she was like the big sister i never had, always looking out for me and was very helpful during my challenging moments.

  we both came into the religion around the same time and both of us were pretty much fringe dubs, just making the bare minimum to be considered jw in good standing.

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  DesirousOfChange

  If you are worried about maintaining a successful fade, be cautious what you text to her. Texts can be stored forever. She could get into a self-righteous or guilty spell and "spill the beans" about YOU.
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  OMG shunning story

  by man in black in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  my wife and i went to fedex / kinko's this afternoon and ran into a girl who was df'ed several years ago, (her parents are quite the rabid jw's.).

  they have two daughters, and the younger one recently got married at the kh.. the older one who we were talking to proceeded to tell us that she decided to attend her younger sisters wedding ceremony which was fine despite the fact that nobody talked to her.. but after the wedding she was basically ushered out of the hall.

  she was not allowed to participate in any pictures, or allowed to speak to the new couple.

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  DesirousOfChange

  I remember serveral years ago I told a CO about how a PO abuse me as a child.

  After giving him the dirt of the story all he could tell me was It would make me a better man.

  Gosh, then we should just sexually abuse all boys and they wouldn't have to jon the Marines to become good men.

  What a dumbass! Such abuse can cause psychological damage for the rest of that young person's life.
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  Approached at the bus stop

  by noni1974 in

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  i was minding my own business this morning and up walks and elder wanting to give me an invatation to the dc.

  i said no thanks i don't go to cult meetings anymore.

  he looked at me like i had 3 heads turned and walked as fast as he could away from me.

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  DesirousOfChange

  They aren't used to hearing they are considered a " cult ".

  Actually, that was one of the attacks made against the witness kid at school in the DC drama this year.