The difference is "facts" vs "faith".
DesirousOfChange
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Evolution or Creation Poll
by Vanderhoven7 inevolution is how we got here.. demonstrate that you believe that all species evolved from a single cell over/within 3.5 billion years by tapping "like" below.. demonstrate that you believe in special creation by tapping "unlike" below..
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14 kids from the same old congregation
by StephaneLaliberte inthis week, while talking with some old friends, i realized that there were at least 14 kids from a congregation in which i grew up that all left the jws.
that is, 30 to 35 years ago, there were at least 14 kids going to the hall that were of the same “generation” (5 to 13 years old).
in the last 30 years, they have all left “the truth”.
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DesirousOfChange
Stephanie, I'm curious if there are any of the kids that you think might have been better off in life if they'd had stayed with The Troof?
I know a few who left but ended up living really debauched lives that resulted in bad circumstances, including at least one in prison, one OD on drugs, etc. Awakening to TTATT doesn't mean that your life automatically improves. It depends on what you do with the years you have left.
The greatest revenge is living a happy & successful life!
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Don't count on witnessing Watchtower's demise anytime soon.
by Roger Kirkpatrick inthe fact that there are pomi ex-jws who have been disfellowshiped or inactive for years who still live in constant fear of armageddon indicates that watchtower will manage to exist in one way or another for years, if not decades, to come.
watchtower, like all other religious cults, operate on the premise that "you can fool some of the people all of the time...and that's enough!
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DesirousOfChange
I think you're pulling that figure of "4 million" out of your arse. No back up. No documentation. Just speculation. It's much more reasonable to accept their stated membership of 8 million. They do appeal to the downtrodden and they are making babies just as fast as everyone else these days.
More important in my mind is how many of the 8 million are "fictitious"? By that I mean, HOW MANY ARE NOT REALLY PUBLISHERS!
When the CO comes through, the Secretary calls Joe Irregular and gets Joe's field service time "up to date". Joe says he probably had 4-6 hours every month but just forgot to report it. SIX reports go in as six different publishers in that Cong record and not Joe is a regular publisher, in good standing. Bullshit. Joe maybe shows up one Saturday per month, says he has "his own group", and they go to McDonalds for a couple hours and have breakfast after making one "Not At Home" call and making one more as they leave McDonalds.
It includes all the PIMO's who turn in a token Field Circus report. It includes all the kids that just "ride along" all day, as well as all the adults who just ride around all day.
So in reality, there might only be 4 million WITNESSES who are really attempting to accomplish anything. Or less.
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Would You Stop Buying A Product Because of Political Differences?
by minimus inwould you stop buying nike products because you didn’t like their politics?
conversely, would you give business to a company because you liked their political stand on a matter?
would you stop watching an entertainer because you disagree with their political perspectives?
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DesirousOfChange
Yes.
I don't buy Nike products because I don't like their politics. New Balance or Reebok or WhoEverBrand is just as good and just as accessible. So since there is an easy alternative, I'll go with the alternate.
I do try to separate the "talent" from the "personal things". Robert DeNiro has done some great acting (and some not so great too). I don't like his political views, but I'll not refuse to watch a good movie in which he is featured because I'm watching the fictional character that he is playing.
On the subject of actors, I don't know why they think their freaking opinion is any more important or better than my opinion. Unless they have some education or related experience that qualifies them as an "expert", why would anyone give a shit what they think about [ pick your subject ].
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Ted Jaracz - the Cardinal Ratzinger of Jehovah's Witnesses
by Dogpatch intheodore ("ted") jaracz1925-2010.
about 7:30, june 9, 2010, theodore ("ted") jaracz, one of the members of the governing body ruling over jehovah's witnesses, died.
previously, on may 19, 2009, he had had a serious stroke, but recently seemed to have made a big recovery, giving some assembly talks.
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DesirousOfChange
Not that "earth-shattering" would cause them to leave, of course ("where else would we go?")FAKE NEWS!
Even lies and persecution from Satan and his hordes !
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Zalkin Law Firm flooded with calls from ex-JWs
by Roger Kirkpatrick inyesterday, i posted a question for a friend in texas as to whom he should contact to report sexual abuse from the 1960s by a jw pioneer/elder who is now deceased.
(incidentally, there are plenty of people who are still alive and in the organization who were very aware of the circumstances and who can be summoned to give testimony regarding these accusations.
) so, my friend called the zalkin law firm.
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DesirousOfChange
Mene mene tekle and parsnips.! ~~ PUNK
Thanks for the Smile of the Day, Punk!
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Who really is the faithful and discreet* slave whom his master appointed over his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time?
by Alex Williams inthis statement was answered in a form of a question to a question posed by one of his followers;.
jesus realized that composite slave had to qualify for such an appointment when he came into power of his kingdom promised by jehovah god.
[and they came to life and ruled as kings with the christ+ for 1,000 years].
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DesirousOfChange
Sorry Mates............I mean ALEX has left the building.
(Alex! You can leave but you can never forget!)
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DesirousOfChange
MMM, remember..................Hassan may have become like the WTS....................and moved on to just the selling of books. The bashing of Trump or the loving of Trump both sell books.
That's what pays for his rent.
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What would happen to your country if you could exchange your president for Trump?
by Wonderment inwhat if we could exchange one president from another country to yours?...
say trump for trudeau, trudeau for trump, trump in exchange for your respective european country, etc -- for a few years?
would you consider it a win or a loss for your country?.
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DesirousOfChange
I really think you're going to find out in 2020 that Americans aren't looking for a change.
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Staying a Jehovah's Witness
by lriddle80 inwhy the shunning if someone leaves?
why are they working so hard to keep everyone in?
is it money?
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DesirousOfChange
I think the GB (at least the majority of them) are delusional believers, just I was a delusional believer when I was a diehard Elder. Just as you were before you came to know TTATT.
Yes, they must know they have problems brewing. Serious problems. Such as with the "overlapping" bandage of a fix on the Generation doctrine. (How effing ridiculous is that?!?!?!?)
I think they are sincerely praying that Joe Hoover will swoop in and bail their ass out before they have to come up with another "fix" for the problems they are facing -- doctrinal problems; law suit problems, etc