Ignore the 607 date and let it "fade" away and base all the 1914 Hocus Pocus appointment on the "signs" -- WW1, Spanish flu, etc
DesirousOfChange
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When JW.org drops 607BCE...
by Nathan Natas inprobably everyone else thought of this long ago, but i, being an "independent thunker" thunk of it just a coupla weeks ago.. we all know that since the year zero (on the fredfranzian calendar) the wtb&ts has defied archaeology and insisted that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, even though the physical evidence shows that 587 bce is a more likely date.
in fact, the book "the gentile times reconsidered: have jehovah's witnesses been wrong all along about 607 bce?
" by carl olof jonsson and rud persson made this conversation public.. it is a difference of 20 years.
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How they could change blood doctrine
by Person inmany people say gb will soon dump blood doctrine to appear less fanatical.
others saying it is impossible for them to do that because of legal ramifications.
i think there is a way that could potentially be solution to those problems.
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DesirousOfChange
They simply need to:
(1) disband the HLC so they are not "guilty" of pressuring anyone to refuse treatment;
(2) relay to BOEs verbally via COs that due to Satan early hordes using the BT to attempt to destroy the Org, BT will NOT result in DF anytime a person "repents" (this is more or less the unwritten rule currently);
(3) gradually move it to a contentious decision that everyone must deal with personally between himself & Jehovah. When a question regarding a BT arises, it can be dealt with on an individual basis through the Service Dept (who will decide all cases should be ignored).
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New lawsuit against the Watchtower in Ontario, Canada
by yalbmert99 inthe new class action lawsuit against the watchtower for having covered up child sexual abuse will begin in court on may 13-14-15, 2024 in the province of ontario, canada.
it is not the same as in the province of quebec because the laws aren't the same.
i don’t have more details.
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DesirousOfChange
I am sure they are hoping they can survive until the CSA cases peter out. But as more and more US States drop the Statute of Limitations on filing lawsuits it brings in a whole new batch of problems for them.
I think they really should be more concerned about their loss of charity status around the world. I don't ever see it at risk in the US, but Europe is just beginning to explode.
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Wanting advise on a draft copy
by joe134cd ini’m just curious what you think.
this is in its draft stages.
so excuse the mistakes and grammar.
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DesirousOfChange
How far up do you think that will make it?
Lower level Service Dept grunt?
It will at least save WT some toilet paper.
Sorry to break it to you, but they don't given a sh!t.
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FRANCE IS AFTER THE WATCHTOWER WITH NEW ANTI-CULT PASSED IN THE ASSEMBLY
by raymond frantz inhttps://youtu.be/uvdmjpmgxk8?si=qdvgimktegx4fepm.
the watchtower's nightmares have just began in france.
on april the 9th the french senate passed a new "anti-cult" law that will basically strengthen the hands of miviludes, the french agency, the official anti-cult agency that is cracking down on dangerous cults.
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DesirousOfChange
Another domino falls
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)
by Simon inuh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.
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DesirousOfChange
Looks like a midlife crisis
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DesirousOfChange
As to "minors" -- I would say "NO". JWs and WT know that would legally be "neglect". But I do know of a couple kids tossed out on their 18th birthday. Of course, lots of folks send their 18-year old off to college in another state.
Bottom line is that the subject should not have to be debated. Shunning your family member because they are critical of the religion or have committed some dumb "sin" (as a teenager) is simply UNCHRISTIAN. (No natural affection?) It should NOT happen (exceptions for extreme cases, CSA, violence, etc).
A "Christian" religious group's leaders should not demand this and Christians should know better than to follow such demands and at the very least they should IGNORE such demands (if they aren't smart enough or brave enough to totally leave the group). Is there any question that any such high control religious group is a CULT?
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Taylor Swift owes me a new shirt this morning
by Mickey mouse ingo listen to the opening verse of the smallest man who ever lived..
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DesirousOfChange
There you have it. It would indicate that JWs are known for their "suits", that is, their nice dress.
And at the same time, the GB tosses the dress code for meetings, service, etc.
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DesirousOfChange
Can you show references from JW literature where parents are encouraged to throw disfellowhipped minors/teenagers out of their house?
One does not need "references from JW literature". I can show you all the evidence in real life situations. I could easily name 6 families from my Cong and surrounding congs where parents are totally shunning their DF children. The smart kids are SHUNNING THEIR JW PARENTS. That is, they absolutely refuse to let their parents visit with their grandchildren. One JW sister (who we dearly love) does not understand why her daughter does this. It's because they see their family as a "package deal". If you shun me -- I and all of my family (incl your grandkids) will SHUN YOU.
One of the above couples (the parents) that I have in mind-- both are born-in; he's an elder; and they were PISSED OFF when they saw the Canadian WT attorney's testimony as he BRAZENLY LIED under oath in Court. And that is when they decided to no longer take the "hard shun" against their DF kids (and their families). He's still an elder. Now, he & his wife just LIE about whether they associate with their DF kids. That's right -- theocratic warfare can work both ways!!
Dreary -- you're trying to defend what cannot be defended. Open your eyes. Quit drinking the KoolAid.
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JW's in the Hot Seat in Czech Republic
by Sea Breeze inlooks like things are heating up in the czech republic over the horrifying practice of shunning children that ask the "wrong" questions.
kids now days have access to all of the watchtower's lies, manipulations, unnecessary deaths, flip flops, rejection of jesus as mediator etc, etc.
i predict this issue of shunning children will continue to threaten free government money that the wt receives.
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DesirousOfChange
Were the recent changes simply a smokescreen to JW's in order to slide in the change to practices surrounding disfellowshipping and butter up Norway and by extension the EU?
That seems obvious. I would suspect they may think they just have to formally make these changes but attempt to not really change things, which is kind of what they did with the Blood Issue in (was it Bulgaria?). If someone refuses to "repent" then they still won't be DF'd. Instead they will have DA'd themselves by their actions.
It will particularly be interesting to see if any real changes are limited to Europe, where they have their tit in the ringer already. The USA isn't going to stick its nose into religious issues -- not even shunning.
They better be cautious. There are NO secrets anymore. IF they try to just fake change, it will be exposed on the internet.