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  H20 vs JWD

  by Amazing in

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  h20 was a smashing success for a long time, even with many moderators.

  the board rules were basically good common sense, and expressed some issues as to matters of law, such as not violating copyright, etc.

  i don't understand why h20 went down the tank.

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  H20 was a life saver :) Hey, does anybody remember Sandman, I think he is from 'down under' I use to enjoy his post.

  Yeah, after H20 went down I wasn't involved with ex-jw boards for a while. Seeker told me about JWD, and even then I didn't have time for it. But now that my work load is normal (10 hours a day :) I have time to chat. I try to type every post like it's my last b/c I never know when I'll get another chance to contribute. Anyway, the 'Moderators' were a big problem @ H20, frankly I never understood the system - At one point I thought everybody were Moderators :)

  So for my clarity sake - Would someone please tell me what's acceptable and what's not on this board?

  Peace - LL
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  What is the Height of Arrogance?

  by Francois in

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  an ant standing on a ladder, poking an elephant.. a coconut falls from a tree, hitting the elephant on the head.

  the elephant says, "oooof.".

  the ant says, "suffer bitch.".

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  Francois - A quote from a book you recommended "The vanity of the selfless, even those who practice utmost humility, is boundless." - Eric Hoffer

  Peace - LL
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  Watchtower Archives

  by Quotes in

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  another thread today contained a link to "why jehovahs witnesses have mental problems" (http://www.premier1.net/~raines/mental.html) .

  i really enjoyed the following excerpt (which, according to the endnotes, is from jerry bergman.

  jw research vol.1 no 4, fall 1994, 28.

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  Great website - It should serve a useful purpose.

  Peace - LL
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  Our press release...

  by mikepence in

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  i wanted to pull this out into its own thread...this is the press release that will be going out as soon as we reach our goal...please go to http://www.amazon.com/paypage/p2ranmtqodei4e to get us there!.

  here is the text of the press release...don't send it around just yet!.

  for immediate release.

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  Mike - I contributed to Silentlambs, was that the right place for your cause? Oh, what do you look like so I can shake your hand at the March :)

  Peace - LL
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  Reparations & Protest

  by Larry in

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  this weekend i'm going to dc for the reparation march.

  i know this is an highly volatile subject for some so i'm not even going to ask for opinions.

  but, for the record here's my stand - i'm for reparations based on principle.

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  Hey folks where's the love :) I'm not the enemy. Although it just shows some things never change. Everytime a 'Black' person stands up for a cause, folks want to shoot 'em down, put 'em in their place. It's cool, folks said the same thing during the 50's and 60's. It wasn't until recently that folks said "yeah, they had a point back then."

  Granted the Black and White issue is a smoke screen, it's just a divide and conquer tacit by the folks at the top of the power chain. The sooner we realize we have more in common the better. But in order to do that, we have to first come to gripes with the history of our nation and we have to have equal rights. No Justice - No Peace!

  If you guys want to believe you proved a point, so be it - you got it. Let's not lose focus as to the point of this board. We have good momentum so let's use our energy towards that cause.

  This is my last comment on this issue - Nothing but love for ya - LL
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  Reparations & Protest

  by Larry in

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  this weekend i'm going to dc for the reparation march.

  i know this is an highly volatile subject for some so i'm not even going to ask for opinions.

  but, for the record here's my stand - i'm for reparations based on principle.

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  Navigator - We are all victims. But I'm totally against victimization. If something goes wrong with ME, then It's MY fault, I take full responsiblity. I doubt you will hear me blame someone for my situation. But I can understand someone who can't shake the trama of being a victim - I feel for them and will try my best to help them.

  To refer me to anything the Jesus said is fruitless b/c i don't beleive anything he said was original. He just borrowed from other holy men.

  Peace and Security - LL
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  Reparations & Protest

  by Larry in

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  this weekend i'm going to dc for the reparation march.

  i know this is an highly volatile subject for some so i'm not even going to ask for opinions.

  but, for the record here's my stand - i'm for reparations based on principle.

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  FD - Sounds like a plan plan to me :)

  But the ugly fact of the matter is, we were striped of our heritage, ancestry, identity, etc so we would not know how to function in Africa. We are a people without a homeland to call our own. We have to assimilate to survive in the US at the expense of losing our ancestral heritage. As Malcolm X said "Negroes are America's problem." And as WEB Dubois said the greatest problem of the 20th century is the color problem. (this century too) Now that we are just as successful as the 'privileged' in some ways, folks what us to shut up, but that's not happening.

  Peace - LL
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  Reparations & Protest

  by Larry in

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  this weekend i'm going to dc for the reparation march.

  i know this is an highly volatile subject for some so i'm not even going to ask for opinions.

  but, for the record here's my stand - i'm for reparations based on principle.

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  Crazy - There are thousands of additional problems with reparations. There is also thousands of counter points, but that's not going to stop the movement. There are also many more issue that demand redress, like discrimination towards women. And true, I can't think of a nobler issue than for the Native Americans! (oh, they did receive reparations, but not enough IMHO) But one of the main points w/ the reparation movement is to raise the consciousness of folks. The fact that you are talking about it is a good thing.

  To take this to another level -

  Ex-JWs think JWs are crazy, brainwashed, etc. Each feel strongly towards their position, each is right in his/her mind. However, that is not going to really change matters. Some folks will leave and some folks will stay. It's our hope, on this board, that some will see the BORG for what it is, but it's the BORG's hope that folks will leave this board or never visit it. Just as strongly as you feel against reparations, others feel strongly against boards like this one. It goes back and forth. We can only do what we think is right.

  Peace and Security - LL
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  Reparations & Protest

  by Larry in

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  this weekend i'm going to dc for the reparation march.

  i know this is an highly volatile subject for some so i'm not even going to ask for opinions.

  but, for the record here's my stand - i'm for reparations based on principle.

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  Lucy - Just to ADD to your agrument here's something I stumbled over - "Slavery was widespread through the Inca and Aztec cultures. Islam embraces slavery without reservation, it is expressly approved in the Koran. Segal documents the fact that 11 million Black Africans were kidnapped from their home by Islamic traders from 700 A.D. to 1900 B.C. Mohammed left many pages of directions to slaveholders on how to handle their slaves. The Ummyad dynasty of Islamic rulers castrated male Black African slaves and used them in battle between 700 A.D. and 1200 A.D.
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  Given Koranic blessing, 11 million Black Africans were kidnapped from their home for service as soldiers and concubines in the Islamic and later Ottoman empire beginning in 700 and continuing to this day. From time to time the soldier slaves revolted and such revolts were put down brutally. Male slaves were routinely castrated and the children of female slaves were taken from them. The slavery system covered most of North Africa, the Middle East, Iran and parts of India under Islamic control. Due to the Koranic blessing, Saudi Arabis did not outlaw slavery until 1964, nor did Kuwait until 1968. No discussion of the world view phenomena is complete without an examination of this "eastern" slave trade. Note also that the Inca and the Aztec practiced human slavery in a non-capitalist setting. The author would also allow you to forget that it was the hated colonial powers of England and France that pushed for the end of slavery in North Africa, not the Islamic east."

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  But like I said the issue is larger than reparations, at least with me. I don't think you read my post thoroughly. We can go back and forth about 'right' or 'wrong.' Just b/c you or I don't agree with something doesn't make it wrong. Surely you don't think you can change my mind and surely you don't think I haven't looked throroughly at both sides of the issue. This is not a new issue with me, I haven't read just a few news articles and came to a conclusion.

  But it's all good, I really don't expect anyone on this board to side with the issue, b/c this board isn't about that. But it is about the principle of protest and standing up for issues.

  Peace My Sister - LL
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  Reparations & Protest

  by Larry in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this weekend i'm going to dc for the reparation march.

  i know this is an highly volatile subject for some so i'm not even going to ask for opinions.

  but, for the record here's my stand - i'm for reparations based on principle.

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  Lucy - Interesting response - Thanks for showing me your mindset. As much as I can dispute your comments or the other comments in the articles, I won't. However, I am glad we agree on the struggle for the victims (all of us, one way or the other) from the BORG policies. And I'm sure we agree that we can't stay in the victimization stage, but instead, we have to move on. No struggle is insignificant, other folks may not relate to it, but it doesn't minimize the cause.

  If there is one thing I have learnt from being in the BORG is that our opinions are relative. One day I'm willing to die for the BORG and the next day I want to kill myself for believing in the BORG. So our viewpoints change as our situations change. I also learned that every issue could be debated - nothing is absolute. We can quote books, peoples, experiments, data, articles, etc. to prove a point, but one set of 'facts' are just as good as the next. No matter what we believe, we can't stop the inevitable. We can debate for days but it's not going to change the movement(s).

  Peace My Sister