Reparations & Protest

by Larry 64 Replies latest jw friends

  • Larry
    Larry

    This weekend I'm going to DC for the Reparation March. I know this is an highly volatile subject for some so I'm not even going to ask for opinions. But, for the record here's my stand - I'm for reparations based on principle. I know the Gov't isn't going to shell out trillions of dollars to 'Black' folks - It's not in the best interest of the ruling elite and the best interest of our economy. Most of the conscious people in the movement don't really want money, in fact most of the folks already have money. What good is the money if we would just reinvest it or spend it in the same system that discriminated us in the first place? If a type of reparations is distributed, I would want it to go towards education, housing, employment, any privilege that was/is denied to us.

    One of the main reason I'm involve in the movement is for education purposes. Ever since I became conscious of this issue, it's been a learning process about the True History of the U.S. Most folks don't like to talk about the past of African Americans and it's effect in the present and the future, but it's vital in order to make additional progress. Progess has definately been made, but we have a long way to go. This movement will raise the consciousness of many Americans - Like it or not this issue will be with us for a long time.

    Anyway, this subject brought to mind a article I wrote for a local paper last year regarding protesting in general. If you have time check it out (warning: It's pretty long) if not, thanks for your time :)

    Peace and Security - LL

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    Let Talk About Protest

    The year 2000 was truly a year of confrontation - From sustain agitation in New York to mass demonstrations in Philadelphia to vigorous activism in California to standoffs in Seattle. The nation as well as the world around us was sick and tired of being sick and tired, and they wanted folks in power to hear their cries of dissatisfaction. However, the year 2000 was not unique with its share of challenges, because protesting is not a new phenomenon. Every world power had its groups of dissenters, from Africa to America.

    The Record of Protest

    The biblical Jesus Christ revolted against the evils of the Roman Empire and the corrupt leaders of his day because he fought the greed of the money changers in the temple, and spoke up for the poor, the meek, the afflicted and the oppressed. Not to mention his revolutionary teachings of peace, love and forgiveness. During the 16 th century, Martin Luther, leader of the Protestant Reformation, protested the Catholic Church actions with his 95 these refuting the sale of indulgences with resulted in a break from the Catholic oppressive yolk. American revolutionaries boycotted the corrupt taxes forced upon them, including the tea tax, to bring about change against the British. The women movements in the late 1800's held silent vigils, mass demonstrations and hunger strikes for over 100 years before they had a right to vote. Mohandas Gandhi lead a 20 year campaign for civil rights of Indians living in South Africa before any change was administered. He also lead a 200-mile march to collect salt in defiance of government monopoly - more than 60,000 people, including Gandhi was imprisoned, but it helped India gain there independence from Britain. The Montgomery bus boycott in 1955 electrified the nation, when protestors refuse to ride the buses for over a year before the Supreme Court ordered the desegregation of buses in Montgomery. The 60's exploded with pandemonium, with the likes of sit ins, freedom rides, voting registration drives, marches, and global defiance - Even Bill Clinton protested the Vietnam War. During the 70s we have seen much activity regarding, anti-nuclear power, environmentalist, anti-intervention, anti-apartheid, and anti-nuclear weapons movements. That spirit of resistance has been reawakening in this 21 st century.

    Why Protest?

    "Those who profess to favor freedom, yet deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground. They want rain without thunder and lightening. They want the ocean without the awful roar of its many waters. This struggle may be a moral one; or it may be a physical one; or it may be both moral and physical; but it must be a struggle. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will." ~ Frederick Douglass.

    "Freedom is not free" ~ Dr. King

    Every right or privilege we have is a result of struggle. Nothing was ever given to us, we werent born privilege with the same inalienable rights as others. Protesting gives a voice to the struggle. Silence and apathy, in most cases regarding injustice, is interpreted as acceptance. If we are mute on a certain issue, for example the Amadou Diallo debacle, in which an innocent unarmed African immigrant got shot 41 times in his own home by four highly trained police officers from the infamous Street Crime Unit and all that could be given in the cause of justice is an apology, than our inactivity speaks volumes.

    Some persons may feel that demonstrating is a waste of time, which is understandable, taking in consideration that thousands felt the Civil Rights leaders in the 50's and 60's, including Dr. Martin Luther King, were wasting their time with voices of dissent. However, time is needed to expire before noticeable change occurs. Granted, many of the changes African Americans and others groups deserve and demand will not occur in our generation. However, what we are doing now is establishing the ground work for future generations.

    I could recall coming into consciousness with the struggle and asking my relatives iF they were at the 1963 March on Washington, which drew 250,000 participants or if they heard any of Malcolm X speeches live in Harlem and to my surprise they nonchalantly said no. I said to myself how could they miss out on being part of history that effects them the most. Whether we want to acknowledge it or not, all endeavors of protest shape our history. Many folks questioned the sensibility of protesting the Bush Inauguration, but considering the historical shenanigans of that election how could one not protest? If history is recorded with no notation about the Selected President and the thousands of people voicing their disagreement, than people reading about it in the future will assume that the American public accepted it - Silence will be interpreted as acceptance. Dr King said "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter."

    Why We Dont Protest

    Mohandas Gandhi was discriminated in South Africa because the white establishment did not want a "Black" man traveling first class on a train, so he tried to convince the support of the non-whites in South Africa to stand up for their rights. Instead, he found what dominates many folks today when it comes to the struggle for justice - Fear, fear dominated their response. The mind set was/is "What will happen to my family? My job? My home, possessions and money? What will my neighbors say?" Often times the middle-class is content with trying to achieve the American Dream and the pursuant of happiness that they will submit to the injustices rather than stand up to them and risk losing everything. However, true liberation is achieved when we liberate the fear that has a controlling influence in our life. Dr. King said "The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy."

    Some people dont protest because they are waiting for a prefect issue. There is no perfect issue, each issue is valid and contributes to the overall struggle for freedom and equality. If everybody waited for a perfect issue we would still be riding on the back of the bus. If we wait too long, our whole life could pass by without us doing anything. Dr. King said "The time is always right to do what is right."

    "I gave at the office" is the attitude some people have. Meaning that they volunteered their time at soup kitchens or homeless shelters during holidays or gave to some charitable organization. Volunteering is very important - There is no question about it.. However, volunteering combined with activism is more effective. Volunteering is like a band-aid effect, its short-term. It is not until we force change that those soup kitchens and homeless shelters will not need our volunteering services. A person is homeless or hungry because of a root cause, perhaps its due to discriminatory hiring, racial profiling or red-lining practices. Forcing change through protesting and activism will tackle the root cause, and remedy the situation. The short-term is important, but it is the long-term which creates true change.

    Some people refuse to protest because a particular Leader is taking the lead. However, the protest is larger that the individual leader. Regardless of the many disagreements we may have with the so call leaders of our community, we have to look at the issue at hand. The issue(s) far exceeds the personal dissatisfaction with the person. Interestingly, last year was a time I witness many political enemies putting aside their various differences and ideologies for the betterment of the cause. Even if we refuse to participate in a protest because of personal differences, why dont we start our own? Why do we have to wait for somebody to protest in our behalf, arent there enough substantial issues to go around for us to mobilize our own protest? Dr. King said "No man is worth his salt who is not ready at all times to risk his body, to risk his well-being, to risk his life, in a great cause

    ." He DID NOT say "No man is worth his salt who is not ready at all times to risk his body, to risk his well-being, to risk his life, in a great individual."

    Types of Protests

    The various methods of protest are: Picketing, marches, boycotts (social, election, economic), civil disobedience, labor strikes, sit-ins, slowdowns, revolts, demonstrations, hunger strikes, vigils and petitions. Every little bit helps - licking envelopes, making phone calls, attending a demonstration, sending letters, signing petition, distributing flyers, etc. Your attendance at events shows that you care and that you believe in the cause. Even if we are not present, we can protest on a daily basis by just holding our wallet, refusing to support certain establishments that perpetuate the injustices of the people. These are all crucial efforts to a successful movement.

    In Conclusion

    Protesting is not only part of world history but it is a natural response - just look at an infant that doesnt like the food being feed to him/her or the body language of a teenager that disagrees with their parents, teachers or anybody in authority. Let us fulfill that natural urge to right the wrongs. We can not wish for justice and expect results, individual effort is required for a collective change to happen. For countless years we have been waiting for the other person to change first, but it has to start with us. We are in this struggle together - Dr King said "Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere." We may not see the immediate result of our efforts, but our participation is building a solid foundation for the future. We should not presume that things will stay as is. The universe is undergoing constant change - it sometimes needs a little push to trigger monumental change. Protesting is the spark that will trigger change in our global community.

  • LuckyLucy
    LuckyLucy

    I know you don't want our opinions...however I think people should know the whole story.

    Apartheid has failed, and now the blacks there are suffering from heightened
    disease, famine and tribal genocide. All the while the western world's
    liberal controlled media turns a blind eye to the open attacks and murders
    of white farmers at the hands of black marxist militants
    . This same media
    are in fact openly soliciting the US public for economic aid to Africa,
    playing on the sympathies, and the ignorance of the American people.
    http://www.msnbc.com/news/792202.asp Brian Williams, of course, ignores the
    fact that Africa is vast and fertile enough to support the entire world and
    then some if only it was properly managed. To quote from the story, "The
    corn is gone, sold off, and the money it brought in is gone as well." Where
    did the money that should have bought new seed corn go to?

    Please follow and read the links below for more details.

    http://www.rense.com/general25/wfrm.htm

    http://argument.independent.co.uk/regular_columnists/bruce_anderson/story.js
    p?story=323572

    If you search for more articles you can easily find scores of news reports
    that are similar to the ones above.

    My personal perspective; when I was growing up in the 80's and became aware
    of Apartheid, I was a silent supporter, but since then I have come to find
    that the whites that settled that area over 400 years ago found aimless
    tribes of back-woods savages, and proceeded to tame the land, if not the
    natives inhabiting it also. Under the white leadership and technology that
    land was made to bear fruits for hundreds of thousands, and could have
    easily been made to feed the entire continent. Only when the western based
    black movements, on behalf of the natives, became jealous of the results
    that the white settlers had brought about, did they begin to use the western
    liberal media influences to create an economic embargo against the white
    government there. Now we see, in deed, that the blacks have mismanaged the
    land to the point that starvation is at an all time high.

    I missed your show on black slavery reparations in this country but commend
    you on your stand that we, whites and others living today, did not have
    anything to do with their slavery, and if you want to take their argument a
    bit further, Rome enslaved my ancestors around 100AD, so Italy therefore
    must owe me land and money in reparation, and Babylon and Egypt must owe the
    Jews, and the Jews must now owe the Palestinians and so on and so on.
    On a
    side note, why doesn't Israel just give the Palestinians a "real" sovereign
    state of their own? I think we all know the answer to that one... Portions
    of every ethnic group on this planet have been slaves to another ethnic
    group at one time or another, how can anyone justify singling out one over
    the others?
    The fact that whites, and now Arabs are "Politically Correct" to target for
    hate or racially motivated agendas is going to come to a close one day and
    sadly it is not likely to be pretty. You can only push us so far into a
    corner before we wake up, turn and bite back. Why can't we end this dual
    standard, once and for all and learn to truly respect diversity, before
    worse comes to worse, again and again? And I mean diversity for all, not
    just ethnic and social minorities. I am not ashamed to be white, Christian,
    or heterosexual I am proud of my heritage and beliefs, sure it has not been
    perfect, but show me a race that is? Does this make me a racist/bigot? No
    more, or less, than any person of another race/creed that is also proud.
    This 'pendulum of equality' will keep on swinging in greater or lesser arcs,
    with greater or lesser outcomes, depending on whether common sense or
    selfish greed prevails.

    Edited by - LuckyLucy on 16 August 2002 17:23:16

    Edited by - LuckyLucy on 16 August 2002 17:26:27

  • teenyuck
    teenyuck

    Nevermind, I had a scathing remark, but, what is the point?

    Edited by - puffsrule on 16 August 2002 13:21:51

  • Larry
    Larry

    Lucy - Interesting response - Thanks for showing me your mindset. As much as I can dispute your comments or the other comments in the articles, I won't. However, I am glad we agree on the struggle for the victims (all of us, one way or the other) from the BORG policies. And I'm sure we agree that we can't stay in the victimization stage, but instead, we have to move on. No struggle is insignificant, other folks may not relate to it, but it doesn't minimize the cause.

    If there is one thing I have learnt from being in the BORG is that our opinions are relative. One day I'm willing to die for the BORG and the next day I want to kill myself for believing in the BORG. So our viewpoints change as our situations change. I also learned that every issue could be debated - nothing is absolute. We can quote books, peoples, experiments, data, articles, etc. to prove a point, but one set of 'facts' are just as good as the next. No matter what we believe, we can't stop the inevitable. We can debate for days but it's not going to change the movement(s).

    Peace My Sister

  • funkyderek
    funkyderek

    I think that those who want reparations for the fact that their ancestors were forced to come to America should be given a repatriation allowance, so they can return to live in their ancestral home.

  • Navigator
    Navigator

    Larry-The problem with seeing yourself as a victim is that people will come out of the woodwork to victimize you. You have grossly misrepresented Jesus's attitude toward authority. Reread Jesus's response to those who felt victimized by the authority of the Roman soldiers to command the carrying of their baggage for a mile. You apparently missed that part of the Jesus message about "turning the other cheek", which is an Aramaic idiom for looking at things differently.

  • LuckyLucy
    LuckyLucy

    Larry, since you can't or won't address all the issues i brought up ...I am very curious as to what your thought is to this.Thank you in advance.

    , whites and others living today, did not have
    anything to do with their slavery, and if you want to take their argument a
    bit further, Rome enslaved my ancestors around 100AD, so Italy therefore
    must owe me land and money in reparation, and Babylon and Egypt must owe the
    Jews, and the Jews must now owe the Palestinians and so on and so on.

    ... Portions
    of every ethnic group on this planet have been slaves to another ethnic
    group at one time or another, how can anyone justify singling out one over
    the others?

  • Crazy151drinker
    Crazy151drinker

    Problems with Reperations:

    1) Who would pay? Would only whites be billed? If so which whites? Obviously many whites immigrated to this country after the Civil War so they couldnt be billed. So then you have pre-civl war whites. But how many of them owned slaves? So soon you have a very small # of individuals. So you select them and bill their decendents. But is that right? Are they responsible for their ancestors decisions?

    2) Are Blacks better off in Africa or in the United States? Yes, slavery was a bad thing but in hind sight, Blacks in the US are FAR better off.

    3) Slavery itself. Every culture in the World has been involved in some sort of Slavery. Be it the Greeks or the Romans or the Child Slavery that continues in Africa to this very day! Can I sue Greece for the way they treated my ancestors? Can Britian sue Italy for the cruelty suffered at the hands of the Romans??

    4) If Blacks deserve reperations then so do the Indians. 98% of the American Indians died. They lost all of their land. Since all of us are currently using American Indian land then by all means we should owe them reperations. Thats ALL of us. Whites, Blacks, Asians, Mexicans...all of us! How much is the U.S. worth?? Well we owe a good 200 years of interest for screwing the indians out of their land and giving them smallpox and massacring them. So instead of giving Blacks reperations we need to give it to the Indians since ALL of us are benifiting from their hardships. Now if you want to argue about the Blacks being mistreated take a look into the Indians. How many Indians do you know??? Look at all the Stats on Indians. There income, poverty, litteracy, drug use, etc..etc.. and you will see that they are FAR worse than Blacks or any other race.

    So if you want to march, go march for the Indians.

  • Larry
    Larry

    Lucy - Just to ADD to your agrument here's something I stumbled over - "Slavery was widespread through the Inca and Aztec cultures. Islam embraces slavery without reservation, it is expressly approved in the Koran. Segal documents the fact that 11 million Black Africans were kidnapped from their home by Islamic traders from 700 A.D. to 1900 B.C. Mohammed left many pages of directions to slaveholders on how to handle their slaves. The Ummyad dynasty of Islamic rulers castrated male Black African slaves and used them in battle between 700 A.D. and 1200 A.D.
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    Given Koranic blessing, 11 million Black Africans were kidnapped from their home for service as soldiers and concubines in the Islamic and later Ottoman empire beginning in 700 and continuing to this day. From time to time the soldier slaves revolted and such revolts were put down brutally. Male slaves were routinely castrated and the children of female slaves were taken from them. The slavery system covered most of North Africa, the Middle East, Iran and parts of India under Islamic control. Due to the Koranic blessing, Saudi Arabis did not outlaw slavery until 1964, nor did Kuwait until 1968. No discussion of the world view phenomena is complete without an examination of this "eastern" slave trade. Note also that the Inca and the Aztec practiced human slavery in a non-capitalist setting. The author would also allow you to forget that it was the hated colonial powers of England and France that pushed for the end of slavery in North Africa, not the Islamic east."

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    But like I said the issue is larger than reparations, at least with me. I don't think you read my post thoroughly. We can go back and forth about 'right' or 'wrong.' Just b/c you or I don't agree with something doesn't make it wrong. Surely you don't think you can change my mind and surely you don't think I haven't looked throroughly at both sides of the issue. This is not a new issue with me, I haven't read just a few news articles and came to a conclusion.

    But it's all good, I really don't expect anyone on this board to side with the issue, b/c this board isn't about that. But it is about the principle of protest and standing up for issues.

    Peace My Sister - LL

  • Crazy151drinker
    Crazy151drinker

    Well Larry, even though I think you should be handing out some Indian 'have you seen me' milk cartons, I respect your right to protest what ever you want! Thats the beauty of America.

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