Posts by Larsguy

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Why love God?

by joelbear in

should we love god and have faith in him because we are afraid of being annihilated if we don't?.

should we love god so we can be paid for it by getting a "mansion in the sky" or everlasting life or some other reward payment?

God offers eternal life to those who would really enjoy it and those who love this particular God will particularly love it since they have proven they would have chosen this god even if it meant their death.

Allowing many others who don't particularly like the way God is doing things to die is sort of euthanesia; he's allowing them a way out of what they might consider a boring and unhappy life. So the lake of fire was created to kindly put them out of their misery.

So either way, all life wins. You get embraced by either God and live forever or you get lovinging embraced by the lake of fire so that you do not suffer trying to live a boring life pretending to be happy when you really aren't.

It's a win-win situation no matter what, the way I see it.

L.G.

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Bible Error: The Visit to the Tomb

by JosephAlward in

the following two accounts of the morning visit by the women to anoint jesus body are contradictory.

according to mark, the women wondered how they would remove the stone covering the tomb, but they found that it had already been rolled away.

matthew, however, says that when the women went to the tomb, there was an earthquake, and an angel came down from heaven, went to the tomb, and rolled the stone back.

Larsguy

Dear Joseph,
I already told you several times that it appears there is a conflict in the events with Mary Magdalene because you don't realize there were three different Mary Magdalenes and that the gospels were simply covering each incident since these three Marys were well-known in the context of that small community. So the error is not Biblical but in lack of understanding how the gospels were written to include hidden facts, often by parallel accounts, so that only when paying strict attention to the details do you find hidden references.

Another critical example of this, of how you must harmonize parallel events that seem to hide specific facts was the report that Peter would deny Christ 3 times before a rooster crowed once and before a rooster crowed twice. But that is precisely what a close comparison of the gospels tell us. That is, when Peter was claiming he would not deny Jesus, Jesus told him he would deny him that very night before a cock crowd once. Peter must have insisted that was not true at which point Jesus told him additionally, he would then deny him another three times again before a cock crowed twice, which is a very short period of time. Thus when you combine the gospel accounts you realize Jesus is talking about two times when Peter would deny Jesus at least three times.

When you then closely compare the accounts, however, you get the same sense of confusion as you might with the Mary Magdalenes which seem to give similar, parallel, but technically contradictory accounts. In the case of the denials, it shows where Peter denied Jesus specifically to various men and women starting with when he first entered the house of the high priest, he had to deny Jesus just to get into the place. He denied him another 3 times right up to the point where the high priest's servant identified him and Jesus was standing right there looking at him in the courtyard at which point a cock crowed once the first time. Peter then recalled this and felt bad and immediately began to rush outside. But the homes back there had several areas of hallways and porches and a "gate house" that one had to go through before actually getting outside, so that as he left the courtyard and moved into various passageways to leave where other groups of persons were standing around, a girl was following him and trying to claim he was one of the disciples which necessitated Peter continually denying Jesus as he worked his way through the crowd of people there trying to get outside. The result was that it took him as long to get outside as it would for a cock to crow a second time, but by now, Peter had again denied Jesus in rapid succession another three times.

That's the beauty of the literary nature of the gospels. It hides references via similarly parallel accounts which by the casual reader one misses the fine points or are thrown off by this literary complexity. As Jesus told his disciples, though, he often spoke in parables so that those on the outside would not understand what he was talking about but his own followers would understand the application of secret meanings.

The same thing is going on with the three Mary Magdalenes. That is, the Bible simply implies there are three Mary Magdalenes, all coming to the tomb at different times and different circumstances but without any of the gospel writers just coming right out and saying, "Oh by the way, there were three Marys who called themselves Magdalene who were in the personal attendance of Jesus." Had that statement been there, then all the Christian Bible scholars would be busy matching up which Mary came when.

But as it is, we find persons like yourself, without the prophetic or spiritual background attempting to criticize a spiritual writing without the expertise or competence needed to do so, in addition to your own biases, resulting in your rather embarrassing error with respect to this account.

Now you can choose what you wish to believe regarding these accounts, but please note that I have given you a response that solves the issue. That is, there is no conflict if there were three Mary Magdalenes, which is not impossible with so many Marys being such a common name in that culture. There is no conflict in that case.

Your not fully understanding that the gospels use duplicate almost parallel accounts as part of it's "style" in hiding secrets is something you've missed.

But I'll give you a hint. When you find a parallel account, it's reasonable to presume that in one of the accounts is some secret detail that is being hidden. The gospels writers, true to ther master, did want to keep certain thing to themselves while confounding the gentile outsiders who culturally tended to expect the overstatement in logical order, whether correct or not, whereas the Jewish culture was just the opposite, shunning any redundancy or overstatement, expecting the "intellectual" listener to figure out by the bacground of two sometimes opposing statements a hidden message.

So anyway, just wanted to say the Biblical spiritualists and prophets are not swayed by this particular criticism and are only laughing at your lack of competence in criticizing the gospel writers or understanding what is really going on.

But, if it is any consolation to you, the confusion you're experiencing was intentional. The gospel writers could have made it simpler for the unbelievers but instead they put "stumbling blocks" in their writings to trip you up, which apparently is still working even though I've explained to you the hidden meaning of these references.

So, all I can do is laugh and keep on believing...that's the end of it.

Have a nice day, Joseph. I suggest you try to criticize another literary work and leave the Bible to us prophets (smile).

L.G.

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Bible Error: The Visit to the Tomb

by JosephAlward in

the following two accounts of the morning visit by the women to anoint jesus body are contradictory.

according to mark, the women wondered how they would remove the stone covering the tomb, but they found that it had already been rolled away.

matthew, however, says that when the women went to the tomb, there was an earthquake, and an angel came down from heaven, went to the tomb, and rolled the stone back.

Larsguy

Hi Joseph,
I already told you that these 3 Marys came to the tomb at three different specified times and with three different circumstances and that there just happened to be three women called "Mary Magdalene" which is likely a title for a "maid" in that custom. The gospels combine to give details on which each came to the tomb.

You're finding contradiction because you think these are all the same "Mary Magdalene"...which is your choice. But there is no contradiction when you accept there are 3 of them, which gives the gospel writers the benefit of the doubt of actually being able to relate the details of these events without self-contradiction, especially since you are very aware that they had access to some of these accounts and thus, especially John, had the opportunity to supplement these accounts. it's not likely they went out of their way to contradict each other.

Believe me, for Jews who don't believe in redundancy, just the opposite of the "goyim" gentiles who need everything repeated 5 times to get the picture most of the time, they would have clearly understood with the secific times and circumstances being given that the gospel writers were trying to tell us there were 3 Mary Magdalenes; they would not presume the Bible writers were unable to get their stories straight.

There are no contradictions here. Sorry to burst your bubble.

L.G.

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WHEN THE FECAL MATTER HITS THE FAN

by You Know in

------------------- when the fecal matter hits the fan!

the book of malachi is addressed to the priests of israel after the time of judgment when the babylonians destroyed the nation.

but, in reality, the prophecy applies to the anointed priests of the christian era who are similarly in a legally binding covenant relationship with jehovah god.

Larsguy

[Q]
"And it must occur in all the land," is the utterance of Jehovah, "that two parts in it are what will be cut off and expire; and as for the third part, it will be left remaining in it. And I shall certainly bring the third part through the fire; and I shall actually refine them as in the refining of silver, and examine them as in the examining of gold. It, for its part, will call upon my name, and I, for my part, will answer it. I will say, 'It is my people,' and it, in its turn, will say, 'Jehovah is my God.'"
[/Q]

This is a good scripture and interesting!!! It may, indeed refer to the witnesses percentage rejected. But there is a "fleshly" Israel reference here also and that occurred during the HOLOCAUST. 2/3rds of the Jews died during the Holocaust and 1/3 was preserved to remain a nation, shorly after the Holocaust which was the "great tribulation" they returning to their land in 1947.

Thanks for that point. Many things in scripture had double fulfillment for spiritual Israel (JWs) and fleshly Israel.

L.G.

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Bible Error: The Visit to the Tomb

by JosephAlward in

the following two accounts of the morning visit by the women to anoint jesus body are contradictory.

according to mark, the women wondered how they would remove the stone covering the tomb, but they found that it had already been rolled away.

matthew, however, says that when the women went to the tomb, there was an earthquake, and an angel came down from heaven, went to the tomb, and rolled the stone back.

Larsguy

Believe what you want, Josephus, but you can't PROVE that there were not three different Mary Magdalenes, which there were, in that case, there would be no contradiction.

On the other hand, the reason why this was presented is likely to trip up those who do not want to accept Bible truth. God is not one to simply let this slide. If you show obstinence, he'll trip you up. He catches the "wise" in their own cunning and will present the truth in such a way that it can't be believed by an unbeliever even if it were explained in detail. It's like explaining calculus to a third-grader, 99% of them simply won't get it.

So all I have to say is that we "prophets" have an advantage on being on the "inside" of the scriptures, which were meant for us, anyway, not outsiders, like you. So if you're confounded by the scriptures, you shouldn't presume it is unintentional....

BBBBBBUUUUUWAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!

haaaaaa,,,,,HAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!! HAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!

You think you're smart, but you're as ignorant as can be.....(as far as understanding the secret of scripture is concerned).

HAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!

Oh, well, it takes all types!!

I'm outta here!!!

L.G.

P.S. I know you can't come along, Joseph, but you have to understand....it's different for us "prophets".....(smile)

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WHEN THE FECAL MATTER HITS THE FAN

by You Know in

------------------- when the fecal matter hits the fan!

the book of malachi is addressed to the priests of israel after the time of judgment when the babylonians destroyed the nation.

but, in reality, the prophecy applies to the anointed priests of the christian era who are similarly in a legally binding covenant relationship with jehovah god.

Larsguy

OOPS! ANOTHER WAKE-UP CALL FOR YOUR POST YOU KNOW!

I apologize for this piecemeal but suddenly it's quite exciting now that this has come out this way.

You'll easily understand this. The context of when Revelation says: "Get out of her MY PEOPLE..." with reference to Babylon the Great, can only imply that they, indeed, would be dabbling in some way into the Babylon the Great mysteries.

But it is interesting that central to "Babylon the Great" is central to the U.N. and is associated with the the ancient "mysteries". That is, plenty will substantiate the connection between the CFR, Bilderbergs, Trilater Commission, Committee of 300 and the "Illuminati" and Freemasonry with the U.N. In fact when presented to some that the U.N. would destroy these "mystery-cult" background organization, there was a disdaining sneer since as far as some are concerned, the U.N. is synonymous and controlled by these groups anyway and is simply another arm of "Babylon the Great."

But now that you've pointed out the "collective" guilt of the organization by this connection to the U.N. then "getting out of her, my people" is quite pertinent! Since Babylon the Great and the U.N. are as synonymous as you can get.

So maybe this is the time when those awake in the organization are supposed to leave it!!! If being in the organization means becoming guilty by association with Babylon the Great via the U.N. then that makes the organization part of the Babylon the Great and thus one must leave the organization not to "share in her sins and receive a part of her plauges"!.

I had only assumed that a large number of witnesses were actually secret Freemasons and that is what it meant, and that remains true, but it would seem that the light is being shown that the organization is more directly connected with Babylon the Great than thought and now in order "not to receive part of her plagues" one must leave the organization!

So YK, are you ready to leave your favorite organization in order to "get out of her MY PEOPLE!"

Let's face it. There has to be SOME POINT when "my people" recognize they are "IN" Babylon the Great and need to get out. If the witness organization has just become another apostate branch of the "new world order" organization connected to the U.N. and it's goals, then maybe in order NOT to be part of that connection one must now leave the organization. Thus "GET OUT OF HER, MY PEOPLE" acknowledges that at this point, the organization IS part of Babylon the Great, and a defunct priestly organization,just as defunct as the priesthood became in ancient Israel before God destroyed it.

But that seems also quite clear since both the "false prophet"/Lamb-Dragon Beast(GB of JW) and the 666-Beast (Christendom) are thrown into the lake of fire, together, at the same time, "while still alive". So if you're a part of the organization when it is destroyed, that means you would be destroyed. So those not wanting to be destroyed, must "get out of her!"

So, You Know, it would seem you're spiritual insight is right on the money! The organization IS now considered a part of "Babylon the Great" after all and it's now time to "Get Out of her, MY PEOPLE." That's consistent with a time when God's people, up to that point, would have been in Babylon, the Great. But when they REALIZE they are part of that "mysteries" organization or that it's leaders have joined the apostate "new world order" then in order to get saved you must "GET OUT OF HER, MY PEOPLE!"

So, apparently, it is not too late, but it's also time to move!

So You Know, it's finally TIME for you to "get out of her"!

We must be very close to Amrageddon in that case.

The day You Know turns on the organization he has been worshipping up until now, we know the END IS HERE!!! RIGHT?

It must be!!!

NICE POST, YK!!!

We'll be watching to see how long you will hold onto that golden calf as your mediator and "ark of salvation" before you realize it's leading you now into the abyss and into the lake of fire...

Cheerio,
L.G.

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WHEN THE FECAL MATTER HITS THE FAN

by You Know in

------------------- when the fecal matter hits the fan!

the book of malachi is addressed to the priests of israel after the time of judgment when the babylonians destroyed the nation.

but, in reality, the prophecy applies to the anointed priests of the christian era who are similarly in a legally binding covenant relationship with jehovah god.

Larsguy

Hi YK,

You know, YK, I hadn't really paid that much attention to this U.N. thing until so many people are making such a big deal about it.

But maybe this is a critical breach and has to do with the prophecy in Revelation. Perhaps you would now consider commenting on it?

The specific reference is where the "Lamb-Dragon" beast which comes "out of the earth", representing it coming out of Jehovah's organizational arrangement and thus referring to the G.B. ends up causing its followers to "worship the wild beast" and becomes in-consert with the "666 Beast" which comes "out of the sea."

Of course, you have already commented about the multitudinous varying and unsubtantiated teachings of Christendom which are likes the waves of the water. That is why they are considered to come "out of the sea", though their primary false doctrine, the trinity doctrine, is part of it's name, the "666" which represents the trinity.

In contrast, of course, the more concrete understanding of scripture is depicted as the "earth", firm Biblical doctrine. But we see clearly that the Lamb Beast, who resembles followers of Christ, his sheeplike anointed priests have now spoken quietly like a dragon does, deceiptively, and causes specifically those on the earth to "worship the wild beast".

Now, since the UN is, indeed, considered a "wild beast" and per your analysis the WTS has caused the organizational members to become collectively guilty of worshipping this beast, I'm wondering if this prophecy is not being specifically fulfilled. That is, is the beast the apostate GB causing it's members to worship a reference to the UN and/or Satan the Devil himself, as you claim!!

You are saying that is precisely the case.

What I'm saying is that it is possible this was specifically prophesied about and thus would be significant.

So....

Had you noticed that the GB as the "Lamb Dragon Beast" would eventually mislead the organization and specifically cause them to worship the beast? That is Satan/U.N.?

You're saying that is precisely the case. And I'm saying if the L-D Beast coming out of the Earth represents the apostate GB, which it does, then this would seem to be an incredibly precisely prophetic fulfillment.

I apologize for not having considered this more significant before now, but in my research the GB is guilty of so many other gross sins and falsehoods, this just seemed like another minor one on top of the pile. But maybe it merits more particular attention.

Anyway, the Bible says the GB would cause its followers to "worship the beast" so I have to see if we can apply that to the UN. If so, you have just outlined the fulfillment of that prophecy!!!

Thanks, YK!!!

In fact, I've always wondered which "beast" was really being referred to!! Maybe Armageddon is REALLY only a few months away,then...

L.G.

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Bible Error: The Visit to the Tomb

by JosephAlward in

the following two accounts of the morning visit by the women to anoint jesus body are contradictory.

according to mark, the women wondered how they would remove the stone covering the tomb, but they found that it had already been rolled away.

matthew, however, says that when the women went to the tomb, there was an earthquake, and an angel came down from heaven, went to the tomb, and rolled the stone back.

Larsguy

Hi Joseph,

The Bible is NOT in error, but it is playing games with you. Remember, even Jesus said he gave information out in the form of parables so that outsiders would not understand. Thus consider my vew of things:

The Jews used the name "Mary" as commonly as one would find among those int he Latin culture. Look how many Marys there were? It was a super common name.

Mary Magdalene was a title, apparently referring to a house servant or housekeeper companion. This was part of their culture.

What happened with the gospels was that there were actually three Mary Magdalenes or women named Mary who served as "maids" in the households of those persons associated with Jesus. But each of these Mary Magdalenes did come to the tomb at different times. So that there would not be conflict and confusion, all three accounts of when each Mary Magdalene appeared at the tomb had to be covered by one of the gospels. Thus each handles a different. Now the gospel writers would assume that once you saw how each account was different you'd understand there were three different Mary Magdalenes, plus they understaood the concept of a "Magdalene" and what that meant. But Bible "crictics" like yourself, without understanding the cultural background, nor the style of the gospels, would find an "error" in the accounts. Now I can appreciate your position, but if there were really three Mary Magdalenes, the ONLY THING MISSING is a statement to that effect in one of the gospels then all would be over. But the Jews don't like overstating the "obvious" so the statement is not there.

So, therefore, consider how very, very different each reference is.

The first Mary Magdalene must have been the houseservant of Peter and John since she is associated with them. She came to the tomb when it was still dark and alone. She saw Jesus and thought he was the gardner and then did obeisance to him. She was ALONE. Then she went to tell Peter and John.

Then shortly after that, "late in the morning" just before dawn, another Mary Magdalene and companion to "the Other Mary" came to the tomb. Note that Mary Magdalene #1 did not come with spices. Also the second Mary Magdalene and "other Mary" did not have spices, which is something usually the family members took care care. They came just to watch the tomb. They arrived later and found Jesus gone. But on their way from the tomb they encountered him on the road and then did obesiance to him. This is an entirely separate account! They were then told to go tell the disciples, which they did.

The third Mary Magdalene is specifically attached to Mary the mother of Jesus and Joanna and others who came after sunrise!!! It was day when they went to the tomb and they had spices since they were relatives of Jesus. Again note Mary Magdalene is attached to another group of people. The first one was attached to John and Peter. The second one in the company of the "other Mary" and now this one, coming after sunrise with Jesus' relatives. These women, though, were too afraid to report back anything about what they saw.

So that's it. There is no conflict. The gospels each give a separate account so you can figure out exactly when each of the three Mary Magdalenes went to the tomb, and it must have been common knowledge among then which one was which.

So, in this case, there is no conflict, only not understanding the entire situation and not trusting that these gospel writers couldn't get a few facts straight, which addresses the prejudice of some who want to jump to quick conclusions about the errors in scripture, when in fact, they simply don't understand fully how the gospels work.

Mary is a very common name in those days, and there just happened to be three Mary Magdalenes working for three different families who were close to Jesus. That's it. The gospel writers are not morons as you'd have us to believe, but maybe some Biblical critics come close to that when they don't do their necessary research.

Cheerio,
L.G.

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Jehoiachin was taken captive before Jerusalem fell

by compton in

jehoiakin was taken captive before jerusalem fell.

the counting of the gentile times.

the 2520 days of years would begin with the first fall of jerusalem, correct ?

Larsguy

Jesus said he spoke in parables so that "outsiders" would be confused, looking but not seeing, whereas his followers would understand the secret meanings.

Thefore, the Bible, especially at end times when the sacred secrets that were "sealed up" (Daniel 12) would be revealed really ar for the specific anointed ones who are giving understanding about many things, but whereas others, the "outsiders" rejected from the kingdom would, indeed, remain puzzled and bewildered by the complexity of scripture.

It's simply a matter of sorting yourselves out...then, isn't it?

L.G.

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Jehoiachin was taken captive before Jerusalem fell

by compton in

jehoiakin was taken captive before jerusalem fell.

the counting of the gentile times.

the 2520 days of years would begin with the first fall of jerusalem, correct ?

Larsguy

Interesting comments everybody, but....

The significance of the chopping down of the tree, when representing the septer of Judah, thus the ending of the earthly kingship until the Messiah would take up that reign at the second coming would not relate to the destruction of Jerusalem directly, but when the last ruling king was removed. It just so happens that coincides with the destruction of Jerusalem. Zedekiah was deported the same 19th year that Jerusalem fell.

Based upon that and following the interpretation that a "time" is double 1260 years, 7 times would be 2520 years by a very fundamental interpretation.

But if our primary concern is dating the Second Coming, you must coordinate that with two other chronology prophecies that would yield the specific time of the second coming within a year.

1. One is the "1335 days" prophecy found in Daniel 12 which indicates that the second coming would occur some 45 years after the "end of all these thigns"; that is, the end of the punishment of the Jews and the end of the gentile times. When was the end of the gentile times? When was Jerusalem no longer under the control of the gentiles and the Jews restored to their homeland? Whatever date that was would end the symbolic 1290 days and it would then date the second coming 45 years later. Of course, the Jews regained control over their homeland and official came out of exile after November 20, 1947 thus we could date the second coming specifically 45 years later sometime between November 20, 1992 and November 20, 1993. Having that date confirmed by this prophecy, it must now be coordinated with the correct date for the fall of Jerusalem.

2. Another advanced way that limits the second coming to a specific year is the "70 weeks" prophecy which has a double meaning. Basically, the Messiah mus arrive during the 70th week and "end gift and sacrifice" both times at mid-70th week. The 70th week is the 70th out of 490 years. The first 490 years ended in 36CE, the 70th week being from 29CE to 36CE and the mid-week passover when the animal sacrifices ended at the time of Jesus death occurring in 33CE. But Jesus instituted the "constant feature" that is the annual memorial until he would arrive for the second coming at which time he would again "end gift and sacrifice" since this would not be a necessary ritual after his arrival and after his eating the passover one last time upon his arrival IN THE FLESH (that's right--this is a SECOND COMING, not a second hovering over the earth.). But the 70 weeks are easily calculated by consecutive 490-year periods from 36CE. You merely have to count down 490 years to our day. 4 periods of 490 years is 1960 years added to 36CE gives us the last 490-year period ending in 1996 and the 70th week from 1989 to 1996. That means that Jesus must arrive in the flesh to eat the last passover and his first since arriving at the mid-week passover of 1993, thus ending gift and sacrifice. So the fulfillment of this prophecy imposes a specific date within a year for the second coming, that is, by Passover of 1993.

COORDINATION: But please note, between November 20, 1992 and November 20, 1993 as required by the "1335 days" prophecy occurs during the same year as Passover of 1993!!! So you have a confirmed year for the second coming based upon these two prophecies. So we really don't need to worry about the contradictions and complexities of the Neo-Babylonian period, which was revised by the pagans to determine the date of the second coming Biblically.

But for the astute Bible student who would want to coordinate the "7 times" prophecy which also requires fulfillment of the second coming to a specific year, the 1992 dating would date the fall of Jerusalem in 529BCE, that is 2520 years from 1992 is 529BCE.

One must ask whether or not, therefore, that is a credible Biblical or secular date for the fall of Jerusalem? Of course, the answer is yes:

BIBLICAL: If you have Cyrus fulfill the prophecy for the "going forth of the word to rebuilding Jerusalem" then you must date the 1st of Cyrus in 455BCE. That being the case, the 70-years beginning at the time of the last deportation would occur int he 23rd of Nebuchadnezzar in 525BCE. Jerusalem fell in the 19th year so that would date the fall of Jerusalem in 529BCE. So that would tend to confirm that the "70 weeks" prophecy was fulfilled by Cyrus in 455BCE.

SECULAR: But all this is quite moot now with recent research into the complex astronomical texts which have survived. Of note, no contemporary astronomical texts from Babylon have survived, and that's because they were destroyed, a clear indication of revision for this period. But two critical texts which have astronomical references to specific dating during this period, the VAT4956 and the SK400 each have been discovered to have mismatched references to the primary years they refer to. These mismatched references first thought to be simply "scribal errors" or sloppy copying have now been matched to a second chronology. Thus the true purpose of these texts were to secretly hide the original chronology astronomy in documents that otherwise promoted the revised chronology. Of note the 7th year reference in the SK400 text gives either 523BCE or 541BCE as alternative dates for "year 7". This corresponds to 541BCE as "Year 7" of Nebuchadnezzar's original rule which, of course, would date his 19th year, again to 529BCE. The "year 7" 523BCE reference is for the REVISED dating for Kambyses to that year per the revised chronology. The double eclipses interveal mentioned in the text don't match 523BCE but 541BCE.

Finally, the VAT4956 is a perefect example of substitute double dating. The two dates extracted from this text for "year 37" of Nebuchadnezzar reflect the revised dating of 568BCE but also the year 511BCE in Lines 3 and 14 which are both coordinatd to the same lunar cycle for that year. Therefore, there is no doubt this was intentional and not an error. But understanable if these records were being aggressively reworked to establishe the revised chronology. The 511BCE dating for year 37 of Nebuchadnezzar, however, gives us a direct reference to the original year of Nebuchadnezzar II that year and thus we can date his 19th year to 529BCE.

So that this point, anybody even remotely thinking that either 607BCE or 587BCE are in any way, shape and form credible possible dates for the fall of Jerusalem are simply uninformed at this point. It's not longer a matter of debate but stupidity.

But.....as noted above, fortunately, that debate does not allow us to speculate regading the year of the second coming since two other chronologies in scripture not directly connected to the revised chronology of the Neo-Babylonian period, but to the advent of Christ in 29CE and to the return of the Jews to Palestine (end of gentile times) in 1947 can allow us to correctly date the Second coming to 1992-1993. But since the Bible is a true book of history, it should not be too much of a surprise that some evidences of the original chronology has now survived which also confirm the correct dating for the fall of Jerusalem to 529BCE, the necessary coordinated date for fulfilling the 2520 years from the fall of Jerusalem and the removal of it's last king until the earthly advent of Jesus Christ back onto the earth to take up kingship again.

1992 is the second coming date everyone has to deal with. The more excuses that one makes and the more information one ignores to try to think otherwise will only cause holy spirit to lesson any light of understanding in other matters they might have.

Insistence upon non-Biblical or selectively Biblical interpretations will lead to spiritual darkness. One must come into the light now and face reality, or be condemned to darkness and be totally lost when Christ's armies appear to destroy the wicked at Armageddon.

And on that plesant thought....I hope all have a very nice day!!!

L.G.