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33 female iowa massage therapist happily married no children (yet).
anyone else?
Lastcall is a MALE (damn strait!)
He is 31 years old, married for 12 years to lastcall's wife. Two kiddies boy--7 Girl-- 8.
He works as a welder for the gas co. in northern IN. Whoopie!( dropped out of college after being "counseled" ..ME: "duhhhh....okay" )Ironically he lives in Indianna as well.
Turn ons: Beaches, boats, beers, Britney, and boobs....and speaking in the third person.
Turnoffs: Whiners, weeners, weaklings, and wicked- evil- mean- and- nasty- bastards( aka just plain bastards.)
well..it was bound to happen......she is one of my absolute favorites......here is my homage .
god sometimes you just don't come through/god sometimes you just don't come through/do you need a woman to look after you/god sometimes you just don't come through .
you make pretty daisies/pretty daisies love/i gotta find what you're doing about things here/a few witches burning/gets a little toasty here/i gotta find why you always go/when the wind blows/tell me your're crazy/maybe i'll understand/you got your 9 irons in the back seat just in case/heard you've gone south/well baby you love your new 4 wheel/i gotta find why you always go/when the wind blows .
Hi Spice, I love your posts!
That said.... I have to say that Ms. Amos depresses the hell out of me. I'm not begrudging her talent. I recognize it, just don't get into it. Her lyrics bring me down man.... and it's not like I need "shiny, happy " music. I dunno maybe it's that shrill voice, maybe I should revisit and see if I've grown into it. Maybe I saw the pic of her breastfeeding a piglet on her CD jacket and it CONFUSED me. Whatever.
I saw a "before they were stars" thing on her and I think I liked her better when she sang 80's anthem rock.:)
LC
the jw brotherhood is composed of people.
you know people right?
people are the ones we work with, the ones we live next to, the ones we share this planet with.
CD: No I don't think you ever will stop. We will ALL reap baby. Peace!!
ok guys and dolls, american football will start in a couple months, so who is the team you pull for?.
ok i know i will get shit for this but go cowboys!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i love the dallas cowboys
Cleveland Rocks! GO Browns!
the jw brotherhood is composed of people.
you know people right?
people are the ones we work with, the ones we live next to, the ones we share this planet with.
Crawdad says "yes, i was an asshole, the gov body was teaching me how to be unjust and cruel and unloving.......just like the pharisees."
And you bought it, hook ,line, and sinker, maybe you were weened on it like me, but you still bought it.
My point is: "Why be so hard on those who haven't left yet?" Is it not Pharisee - like to judge and accuse and berate them? I'm not talkin' GB, I'm talking people like you and me bro. Most of us here believed it just as we believed the sun would rise, but now that we have seen the REAL light we forget where we were before, and I think that is a shame.
I'm NOT saying you don't have the right to speak freely about how you feel, I'm just asking that you consider these facts,and that you don't hate me for doing the same.
the jw brotherhood is composed of people.
you know people right?
people are the ones we work with, the ones we live next to, the ones we share this planet with.
If I may say so, "All Y'all is a TRIP!" I am truly amazed at the level of complete and utter crybaby bullshit I read on these types of threads.
Oh I have to say I see SOME points on all sides, but what pisses me off is how arrogant some have become against average JW's.
Crawdad says:".... the reason alot of jws are still jws,... is because their hearts are not "bothered" by the hypocrisy of the things they see going on around them....... they don't take a stand for truth and love. .........as soon as they take that stand, they are either kicked out, or they leave on their own............ no one who is in favor of truth and justice and love can remain one of jehovah's witnesses.............. they are sentenced to reap misery in the jw cult...... till they wise up............... they will reap what they sow, till they learn their lesson."
What about YOU Crawdad, and YOUR lot. You are so freakin' enlightened now it blows my undeserving mind. I just hope the rest of us can keep up with your ultra progressive pace!
How far you have come! When you were a JW you were a lying, unloving, unjust hypocrate. But NOW that you've left you have magically morphed into a wise man, who reads hearts, full of love and TRUTH! BARRRRF!
I'm not at all saying criticism isn't justified. But I think some of you need to look at the big picture: Ummm, like, umm, you WERE one,and like umm ,that makes you FORMER asshole?
In my opinion there is nothing worse than someone who has an unforgiving attitude toward people who have made the same mistakes and been misled in the same manner they have.
there are certainly enough valid criticisms of the wts and the jw religion, but a significant number of often-repeated criticisms of the religion are, imnsho, just ludicruous and serves to take attention away from the real issues.
significant problems with the wts includes, but are not limited to, the shunning policy, the blood issue and of course the corporate policy of hiding child molestors.. here is a list of criticisms of the wts that i find particularly annoying to see:.
russell was a freemason (or, even worse, the wts is part of some other large-scale conspiracy like the illuminati).
Larc, I think we will have to agree to disagree. I understand what you are saying, and your point is made. I still think "cult" in it's common definition, while not nessesarily the MOST correct description, is a word that can justifiably be used to describe JW's ( especially by those who lived as JW's formerly).
Jan -- Would the description "cult-like" be acceptable in your opinion? That actually is how I usually find myself describing them. I guess sometimes we are looking for one word to sum it all up and there just isn't one.
there are certainly enough valid criticisms of the wts and the jw religion, but a significant number of often-repeated criticisms of the religion are, imnsho, just ludicruous and serves to take attention away from the real issues.
significant problems with the wts includes, but are not limited to, the shunning policy, the blood issue and of course the corporate policy of hiding child molestors.. here is a list of criticisms of the wts that i find particularly annoying to see:.
russell was a freemason (or, even worse, the wts is part of some other large-scale conspiracy like the illuminati).
Larc, with all due respect, I think you are splitting hairs.
The question really amounts to , " Is it stupid to criticise JW's by defining them as a cult?" My opinion is no. There are many ways to define something, a dictionary is just one. In this case, books by sociologists may be another ( and it may be the most authoratative from a technical standpoint)
That said, the "common definition" that many hold must also be considered. And when you think about it, it may be the most important definition of all.
Ultimately words are defined by how PEOPLE commonly define them. What do people think of when they think of the word "cult"? Really that is the most important definition, though perhaps not completely accurate in a technical sense.
Cults: Isolate themselves, control people, replace peoples families, are extreme in their beliefs(blood,flags,politics,holidays, shunning, detruction of all opposers, devoted at the expence of nearly everything else). That's my, and dare I say, most peoples loose definition of cults
Of course this is only my humble opinion.
Edited by - lastcall on 26 June 2002 0:45:34
there are certainly enough valid criticisms of the wts and the jw religion, but a significant number of often-repeated criticisms of the religion are, imnsho, just ludicruous and serves to take attention away from the real issues.
significant problems with the wts includes, but are not limited to, the shunning policy, the blood issue and of course the corporate policy of hiding child molestors.. here is a list of criticisms of the wts that i find particularly annoying to see:.
russell was a freemason (or, even worse, the wts is part of some other large-scale conspiracy like the illuminati).
Great Post, as usual JanH.
I really like that you look at things with an open mind with reguard to the WTS. I agree with all of your points except where you think that the word "cult" is an inappropriate term. I think it fits like a glove.
From Dictionary.com:
5 entries found for cult.
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Edited by - lastcall on 25 June 2002 23:33:32
this morning as i was trimming my beard, i was thinking about when i was a drone and the times that iws counseled about my 5:00 shadow at the meetings, and i rembered a time when my dad was told to go and trim his sideburns b 4 he could go on stage at an assembly.. at one time it promted a friend of mine and i to write a letter to the society, since they could change thier minds on doctrinal issues as the light gets brighter we thought maybe we could get them to change thier minds on this issue, (yeah right).
a few months later he recived a letter from the society the essence of it was like this : it would not be inapproiate for a brother to wear a nice trim beard but the elders in the local area would have to detirmin if it would be acceptable for the brother to be used in the cong.
and go door to door, as some areas might be more open to it than others.
This subject always burned my butt. I know a few also who have written the society and spoken to C.O.'s about beards, goatees, etc. The answer is always something like, " ...we see no scriptual problem with this, however if it would detract from our ministry blah blah blah.... the local Elder body would decide if it were appropriate.... blah blah blah. "
Like many of these supposed "consience issues" they make it so the elders can decide if it is appropriate and then remove priveleges as they see fit. In turn the rest of the cong. will view that person as "weak" or even rebellious if he chooses to perhaps have a goatee.
Meanwhile the GB looks as though they are sympathetic to those who want to excercise a little personal freedom in this matter. That way they can save themselves from critics who would point there rule out as unscriptual.
The fact of the matter is, it would only take just one sentence printed in a Watchtower to resolve everyones "concerns" (can you believe it, they are "concerned" about facial hair). Sentence:
" ... and if a brother were to decide to have a neatly trimmed beard or goatee etc., this would be up to his (or her LOL) own conscience, and no one should look down on..."
That is all it would take. But they will not do it. Why ? Because the Truth is they don't want you to have a beard. They want uniformity to the enth degree. They want control of every aspect of your life.
I am so glad I left!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I say as I stroke m newly grown goatee.
Edited by - lastcall on 25 June 2002 21:31:51
