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Meet for a coffee in Toronto!

by peterstride in

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the coffee break get together is going to be tuesday, july 17th, starting at 6pm (for those that can't make it right at 6pm) and ending whenever.... i'll be e-mailing the actual location and directions for the out-of-towners driving in (plenty of parking nearby) or taking the go train transit in (it will be on the ttc subway line)!.

talk to you all soon,.

peter stride.

Latte

It's not fair!

............well, at least Prisca and I, will be with you in spirit!

Have a great time guy's!

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hi!

by norm67 in

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a friend told me about this board some months ago, i've been lurking here ever since and really enjoyed it.

so i thought i might as well register *g*.

about me: baptized in the 80s, pioneer, ms, the usual stuff...inactive for 3+ yrs now.

Latte

Hi Norm67,

Welcome! Hope that you stick around, there's some good reading here!

Any clues as to where you are from?

Latte

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Meet for a coffee in Toronto!

by peterstride in

jw
friends

the coffee break get together is going to be tuesday, july 17th, starting at 6pm (for those that can't make it right at 6pm) and ending whenever.... i'll be e-mailing the actual location and directions for the out-of-towners driving in (plenty of parking nearby) or taking the go train transit in (it will be on the ttc subway line)!.

talk to you all soon,.

peter stride.

Latte

Hey Moxy!

Got something against Coffee?

You said.
****what the hell are you talkin about 'coffee'?? keep the coffee to yourself.****

Personally, given a choice, I would choose a cozy little wine bar. No, I'm not offended Mox.........this time

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Propaganda June 22 Awake!

by jayhawk1 in

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friends

i found this jewel on the society's website.

i thought you might find it interesting.

now i know how to avoid their propaganda!.

Latte

Jayhawk1,

Thanks for highlighting this one. If anyone reading this article can't see that it's absolutely 'right' to question what they read, either from the W/A or elsewhere. Then, they have missed the point! Tsk,Tsk...

Particularly liked this bit.

******Put information to the test: "Beloved ones," said John, a first-century Christian teacher, "do not believe every inspired expression, but test the inspired expressions." (1 John 4:1) Some people today are like sponges; they soak up whatever they come across. It is all too easy to absorb whatever is around us.******

So, we are ENCOURAGED to put information to the test! Yet, you try to do that and air your views to another.......guess what happens? You are told to "Get back to your brain-dead old self!" "Stop being an INDEPENDANT THINKER" Tsk,Tsk,Tsk.

Thanks jayhawk1

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Children Removed from Family over Discipline..

by Had Enough in

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hi folks:.

just thought i'd post this newspaper article about an ongoing battle with a religious group that is quite prevelant in sw ontario, canada called the church of god, a somewhat moderized mennonite group started in 1881.. a family's 7 children have been taken away by the children's aid society over the issue of spanking.

this group upholds the bible's "spare the rod, spoil the child" rule to the point of using actual sticks, belts, switches etc and express that pain has to be felt to instill respect for discipline.

Latte

Thought I'd share this with you all...........she's just Great!

That's Penelope Leach guys!

Q: Give us some tips, if you would, on how parents can use positive discipline instead of spanking.
A: The fact that you've spanked your children does not excommunicate you from this movement. We can all lose our cool, we all do things we wish we hadn't done. We have to try not to, but we have to forgive ourselves if we do.
Spanking sets an example of violence -- an appallingly bad example. The parent who hits a child is kind of saying to that child, 'Take a tip from me, I'm bigger than you and when I want my own way this is how I get it.' Some parents don't realize how much kids learn from example. If there's a gap between what you say and what you do, they'll usually do what you do. ... All the research evidence shows that spanked children almost never remember the lesson you were trying to teach, they're too angry and upset to remember the lesson. They almost always say (their parent) was angry or 'I was naughty.' The rest goes over their heads.
There's also a huge amount of evidence that physical punishments of all kinds do provoke aggression in children ... juvenile delinquency later. The thing that ought to concern parents of young kids doing the best they can is that punishing a child for doing wrong isn't really the way to teach them to do right. Positive discipline tries to show and tell kids what we'd like them to do, to praise them and reward them for what they've done right, rather than always waiting and scolding for what they've done wrong.
It's a question of setting high expectations. You expect the children to be good and you're pleased when they do good. Don't sit and wait for them to break rules and then punish them for that.

http://detnews.com/1999/features/9903/28/03260021.htm

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Goodbye everyone......

by chipster in

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just a note to all of you...i have been following this board for the past several weeks, and indeed it has been a most interesting experience.. i guess when i first came here, i had hopes that this might be a place for support and that maybe i would find some people that were indeed spiritual and were in fact trying to find a way of establishing a relationship with jehovah apart from being part of an organization( yes, take a look at the url for this site)..but, dissapointingly, what i have found is a lot of bitterness, complainiing, ugly name calling, labeling, and even outright hatred towards individuals and an organization that most were once part of....it seems that many are stuck in a very negative place, caught up in the role of "victim" and they are full of regret for wasting so much of their life 'in the truth'.... i guess the reality hit me the other day with a post that clearly stated that there really is no common denominator here other that this is a bunch of ex-jws...this is not necessarily spiritual fellowship..nor does it pretend to be.... know what guys??

?i wish you all the very best in your individual journey.....but i have come to the realization that this board really offers nothing to me..... i'm leaving today on an 11 day journey into the wilderness to take some time for meditation, introspective thinking...and yes...some journaling...and yes..even some praying..... i don't think i'll be back here.. hasta la vista, baby!

chip

Latte

Chipster,

I wish you all the very best.

I also understand.

Latte

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Children Removed from Family over Discipline..

by Had Enough in

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friends

hi folks:.

just thought i'd post this newspaper article about an ongoing battle with a religious group that is quite prevelant in sw ontario, canada called the church of god, a somewhat moderized mennonite group started in 1881.. a family's 7 children have been taken away by the children's aid society over the issue of spanking.

this group upholds the bible's "spare the rod, spoil the child" rule to the point of using actual sticks, belts, switches etc and express that pain has to be felt to instill respect for discipline.

Latte

Had Enough,

Yes, I’ve often wondered what child specialist would think of the way in which JW children are disciplined.

At an assembly one year, I overheard a child being spanked privately in the loo next to me. It upset me so much; it made me feel sick.

The following year during my second pregnancy, on yet another visit to the loo ! I again, could not help overhearing a child being spanked. O.K I was hormonal, but why spank children where people can’t see you do it? Afterwards the child walked slowly behind the Mother, not speaking. The Mother still had clenched fists and was walking away briskly to meet up with another woman. The child left to wonder - she looked overly sad. I told the woman who was with her, that it really upset me, what she did to her daughter. I walked away as I honestly thought the other woman might throw a wobbler at me, if she new I had anything about it to say. (none of my business!) Yes! You guessed. Same woman. Same block off loo’s. Needless to say I never sat in that area again.

I do think that people are becoming more aware of alternative ways of disciplining children. I also feel that I have seen less smacking in the Kingdom Hall which I attended. However, there are still the ones that feel it is there God given right to overdo it, if they see fit. I know a brother in the Hall I used to attend, that proudly stated after the Sunday meeting, that his hand was “ throbbing”after thrashing his waaay too young child throughout the Sunday meeting. I did not have any children at that time – I was disgusted at him. You should see his child now. It breaks my heart, he is so introvert. (he’s about 15 now) His Father, I really, really, do not like. Nor his Mother for allowing it!

QUESTION: What do you think about this situation.... AND could JW parents' disciplinary methods possibly illicit a similar response from authorites?
From what I have read, I think they have probably done the right thing. Hopefully, whilst the children are in care, they will be educated as to what IS ‘acceptable’ discipline. And NOT that Daddy has a God-given free hand/ belt/brush/anything!

As regards JW’s meriting a similar response. I really don’t know. I think that the problem with parents abusing children in this area of discipline, is that they do it in private…….like taking them to the loo…….thinking no-one sees them doing it so no-one hears. Stupid.

I would love Penelope Leach to visit an assembly one year, and let us have her observations. She is brilliant at suggesting alternative ways a disciplining. Parental skills are acquired – like most things in life - they have to be worked at. Yes, even for humble little me, it’s trial and error. It is’nt easy being a parent but you gottta keep trying everything. Thank you Penelope Leach. Thank you all the other ‘Good’ wordly books on child-rearing.

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Children Removed from Family over Discipline..

by Had Enough in

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friends

hi folks:.

just thought i'd post this newspaper article about an ongoing battle with a religious group that is quite prevelant in sw ontario, canada called the church of god, a somewhat moderized mennonite group started in 1881.. a family's 7 children have been taken away by the children's aid society over the issue of spanking.

this group upholds the bible's "spare the rod, spoil the child" rule to the point of using actual sticks, belts, switches etc and express that pain has to be felt to instill respect for discipline.

Latte

Just noticed this post. For sure, there comes to mind certain one's where action should of been taken to prevent further 'abuse'. I shall get back to you on this one.

Thanks for bringing this subject to light.

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