Posts by lauralisa

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Dateline and My Mother-Part 2

by teenyuck in

jw
friends

i started this thread yesterday afternoon..... http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=28727&site=3.

i watched dateline and within minutes of the jw section being completed, i called my mother.

i could tell she had been crying.

Wow. I am so glad to hear about your conversation w/ your mother. You must be feeling wonderful! I hope there are thousands more like you - if this is an example of the impact Dateline had on families, then the heros who have paid such a high price to help make this happen (there are hundreds of them) will have even more reason to find some joy in this macabre ordeal....

May all napkins from this day forth be placed on the heads of females ONLY during sunny picnics at family reunions...

Smiles, laura

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About Daniel Fitzwater-Exposed on Dateline

by LFitzwater in

this is a very long story that i will try to condense.

it will still probably be too long.

life is good for us now that we know the real truth.

lauralisa

Hi Laurie,

That was brave. YOU are brave. Thank you for what you wrote. Peace to you and your husband,

lauralisa

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For those of us who Didn't See DATELINE.....

by Prisca in

...could someone please give us a summary of what happened on the show, who was interviewed, what they said, what the reporter said, what the wts' pr said, etc.. it would be much appreciated, thanks..

lauralisa

Hi Prisca, Ozzie, WW...

It was extremely concise, to the point, balanced, and fair. It was staggeringly direct.

I taped it... I'm sure transcripts will be forthcoming soon... it was heartbreaking, and amazing, and exhilarating.

The initial rush has worn off at least for me, and I'm left wondering how Erica, Barbara Anderson, the Bowens, Holly, and the Pandelos are doing right now. The sense of vindication may be wonderful for the moment.... there's hell to pay for this though, I would imagine

NBC TRIED to get the WTS to at least make an attempt to go on record for the public, but in their refusal, they ended up looking very, very very very very very very very dubious.

Emotions running high here

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Video Game Systems. Which is better? Help!

by BeautifulGarbage in

playstation.

xbox.

my daughter wants to buy a game system.

lauralisa

Where's bboynecko?

I wouldn't understand a thing he might say, but it would be cool to read anyway.

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I need help/info on other religions vs the WTS

by Leander in

jw
friends

over the past week since i've announced that i was stepping down i have had a few conversations with my family, and against my better judgement i mentioned that i was having doubts.

invariably almost every discussion about the jw religion eventually boils down to the argument that only witnesses are doing this or that.

unfortunately this is a weak part of my debate, i have only been associated with the jw religion so i have very little information on what other religions beleive and practice.

lauralisa

Hi Leander,

You said:

Unfortunately this is a weak part of my debate, I have only been associated with the JW religion so I have very little information on what other religions beleive and practice. So I was hoping that maybe a few of the people here might be able to help me out with a few answers.

Leander, there are so many religions that exist, have existed, and will exist - and yes, there ARE other non-mainstream religions that have doctrinal positions consistent with the WTS.

I have an OLD book... circa 1880 - that I found among my great-grandmother's belongings once. I still have it. It is entitled Religions Denominations of the World, and lists literally hundreds of "denominations" with brief descriptions of their basic tenets. And THAT was over a century ago.

Lacking time at this point to provide you with any specifics unfortunately, but if time allows I'll try to dig up some material for you soon.

I remember that very argument ("only jw's teach....") keeping me in a locked state of mind, and can appreciate the hold it has on people.

A very good friend is married to a guy who is difficult to understand. EVERYONE (besides her) thinks he is an incredible jerk-off. He seems abusive to her in many ways. BUT... she is thriving as an individual; personally and professionally she is growing and enjoys her life; if there were any indications or evidence of abuse taking place in her life many people would intervene... but there is nothing there other than she is a vibrant, positive and intelligent woman who is happy. So we leave it alone and give her all of the benefit of our doubt.

There are "alternative" lifestyles out there which give certain people pause because it seems obvious to THEM that these lifestyles are WRONG!!! But when the individuals involved are vibrant contributors to society who are healthy and happy, it seems kinda clear that the issue is with intolerance and fear of things "strange" - and interfering with the situation is intrusive and not necessary.

On the other hand. When thousands, if not millions of people are dying slow deaths or shriveling into little non-beings who live in helpless hopelessness because of their adherence to a particular religion (or addiction, or behavior, etc. etc.) then it is not out of line to question the "goodness" of that religion/practice/behavior.

"By their fruits you will know them" as they say.

Take care, laura

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Video Game Systems. Which is better? Help!

by BeautifulGarbage in

playstation.

xbox.

my daughter wants to buy a game system.

lauralisa

Hi Andee!

My fiance has been working in the video/computer game industry for 8 years now (3-D digital artist) so I asked him what he thought about your question.

He gave me a 30 minute analysis of stuff - I'd write it out if I had a clue - but it sounded a lot like what Simon and Slip had to say. Especially Slippy's comments about Microsoft taking a bath on X-box... He mentioned how Sega (SONIC THE HEDGEHOG ROCKS FOREVER) could not compete with Sony, and stopped making consoles, for example.

Most Game developers/producers/publishers actually make games specifically designed for the PS2. Then, if the market demand is sufficient, they format (?) the games for the other platforms. He's actually working on such a project right now - making a racing game made for PS2 compatible with the other platforms. The result is that the games CAN be played on the other platforms, but can not utilize the superior technologies of them. (They'd have to completely re-make the game, which few publishers want to pay for when they can just sell it as is.)

You guys should see his shop... they've got fire-wire somethings and every artist has EACH platform console at their desk... they can import what they're working on at the moment directly onto an existing game to see how it flies... and the "hello kitty" christmas lights around the place really make it all very balanced.

Quick summary Andee: he said get the PS2!

laura

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J.R. Brown: NO COMMENT on Resignation

by slipnslidemaster in

founder of religion resigns .

thu may 23, 3:49 pm et.

brooklyn heights, ny (ap) - founder, former archangel and chief evangalist resigned from the watchtower bible and tract society on thursday.. jesus h. christ, formerly known as michael the archangel was quoted during a telephone interview that "he just wasn't recognized as the worlds savior anymore".

lauralisa

LMAO, slippy.... keep em coming!

laura

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Does Jehovah work through an Organization

by SixofNine in

jw
friends

yes, comes the response from brooklyn.

that organization just happens to be the first combination law office/pr firm/minor religion in world history.. then again, some would argue that jah is using an organization based in benton ky.

lauralisa

Hi Six,

Your post really has me stuck here. I sat and looked at the words you wrote for quite a while, feeling sad, because I remember the security I USED to feel when I believed wholeheartedly that yes, Brooklyn and its promulgated rhetoric was straight from Ground Alpha and Omega.

At age 45, and after immersing myself completely (get it? hahah) in several organized religions - all turning out to be cult-like in their afteraffects - I don't even know if I can believe in God and still think myself as "intelligent"...

I can't shake (I've tried) this almost cellular-level fundamental belief in a creator; in other words, it takes MORE faith for me to believe that a creator/God does NOT exist. I guess I've come to think that if there is a God, he/she/it is employing a "hands-off" approach, just to see what us carbon-based units will do with ourselves.

If God IS using any organanized group, I have not found one that does not spew polemic and end up causing more harm to individuals than good.

If Silentlambs is shaking out the WTS, well, that's a supportable argument and I can understand how some people would find comfort in it. If Silentlambs' efforts are resulting in healing help for victimized innocents, I think that is a good thing in and of itself; if their efforts also result in simultaneously (even serendipitously) uncovering massive, documented and verifiable corruption in a mind-controlling, dehumanizing pseudo-religion that has evaded scrutiny for so long - isn't that also a good thing?

Not sure exactly what type of responses you were trying to evoke, here, Six, but here's one.

lauralisa