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Believers, do you believe in evolution?

by everchangingworld in

after leaving, i still couldn't wrap my head around evolution (after the years of seing "intelligent design" in everything around me).. there's a series of videos that give a good intro to evolution and critical thinking.

they've probably been posted here before, but, for any new members, these are worth watching.. evolution: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdddbyilel0.

critical thinking: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6olpl5p0fmg.

NewChapter

Except your earlier definition define the soul as something separate from the physical body, something that was not destroyed by death, and something that was immortal.

Now you are linking it to the physical body and life.

So WHAT PART of the human do you say survives death? Because I don't want a semantical discussion. If you want to call it a spirit, we'll call it a spirit. If you want to call it a soul, we'll call it a soul. And WHY is it such a common thing for a non-atheist to use language as a barrier rather than a vehicle for communication? It is incredibly frustrating.

Soul, or Spirit---what makes humans unique? What survives death? What is granted to them by god that is not granted to other animals?

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Believers, do you believe in evolution?

by everchangingworld in

after leaving, i still couldn't wrap my head around evolution (after the years of seing "intelligent design" in everything around me).. there's a series of videos that give a good intro to evolution and critical thinking.

they've probably been posted here before, but, for any new members, these are worth watching.. evolution: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdddbyilel0.

critical thinking: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6olpl5p0fmg.

NewChapter

To be souless is to be dead, there was no souless parents giving birth to anything.

You said that the soul was something that left the body at death but was not destroyed. Are you saying that all animals have souls?

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Believers, do you believe in evolution?

by everchangingworld in

after leaving, i still couldn't wrap my head around evolution (after the years of seing "intelligent design" in everything around me).. there's a series of videos that give a good intro to evolution and critical thinking.

they've probably been posted here before, but, for any new members, these are worth watching.. evolution: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdddbyilel0.

critical thinking: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6olpl5p0fmg.

NewChapter

Okay, so you are saying that souless parents gave birth to children that were granted souls. And from that point forward, humans had souls---even if they didn't look for god?

And what about other human species? Neanderthal had a spiritual life---so they must have been searching---did they have souls?

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Believers, do you believe in evolution?

by everchangingworld in

after leaving, i still couldn't wrap my head around evolution (after the years of seing "intelligent design" in everything around me).. there's a series of videos that give a good intro to evolution and critical thinking.

they've probably been posted here before, but, for any new members, these are worth watching.. evolution: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdddbyilel0.

critical thinking: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6olpl5p0fmg.

NewChapter

Not sure what you mean by "dividing line"...

Well, at some point in the evolutionary line, a souless set of parents gave birth to children that received souls.

Where do you put this dividing line? Did our ancestors just reach a moment when they were human enough to receive souls? At what point would that have been? They would not have produced a child that was all that different from themselves---the child would have been mostly like them except for perhaps a few traits that were accentuated. Evolution is not abrupt, but very gradual. The difference between parent and child would not have been glaring but subtle. A great ape did not give birth to a human child. We put lines out there now, because we can compare one end of the spectrum to the other, but if we were to lay the offspring side-by-side in a continuous line, we would see a more gradual change---two individuals next to each other would look pretty much the same---but if we took one and compared it to an individual further down the line, the changes would be more apparent.

So----at what point did souless parents give birth to a child that would have been like them very much, possibly no discernable differences, and the child was granted a soul?

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Believers, do you believe in evolution?

by everchangingworld in

after leaving, i still couldn't wrap my head around evolution (after the years of seing "intelligent design" in everything around me).. there's a series of videos that give a good intro to evolution and critical thinking.

they've probably been posted here before, but, for any new members, these are worth watching.. evolution: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdddbyilel0.

critical thinking: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6olpl5p0fmg.

NewChapter

Adam and Eve were the first biological Humans and they were given the spirit at birth.

Okay. Were A & E H. sapiens? Do you really think the dividing line was this black and white? What is your definition of Human, because there have been many species of human.

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Believers, do you believe in evolution?

by everchangingworld in

after leaving, i still couldn't wrap my head around evolution (after the years of seing "intelligent design" in everything around me).. there's a series of videos that give a good intro to evolution and critical thinking.

they've probably been posted here before, but, for any new members, these are worth watching.. evolution: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdddbyilel0.

critical thinking: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6olpl5p0fmg.

NewChapter

Vegetation? There was a lot of that in the garden. I wonder what a daisy soul looks like, and is it prettier than a poison ivy soul? Was there poison ivy in the garden?

I'm starting to think I'm not going to get an answer to my question.

Oh---and water. does water have a soul? It was in the garden too.

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Believers, do you believe in evolution?

by everchangingworld in

after leaving, i still couldn't wrap my head around evolution (after the years of seing "intelligent design" in everything around me).. there's a series of videos that give a good intro to evolution and critical thinking.

they've probably been posted here before, but, for any new members, these are worth watching.. evolution: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdddbyilel0.

critical thinking: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6olpl5p0fmg.

NewChapter

Many times on this board I have asked Christians that believe in both evolution and souls; at what point in evolution did God insert a soul into humans? I have never received an answer. This was why Darwin’s presentation of evolution in The Origin of the Species caused such a stir. It was argued by the church that if we descended from apes we could not have a soul, which amounted to heresy at the time. More importantly, do gladiators have souls?

Glad, I didn't expect it to be so complicated. It is frustrating, I will admit. First it is a semantics argument. I think the question is clear, but it gets mucked up with words. I'm not interested in what happens to that soul at death. That is another discussion. I'm interested in when that soul was created, and where in evolution it was inserted.

Glad, you don't have a soul. Don't feel bad. I don't have one either. The BIG question is, did Neanderthal have a soul?

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Believers, do you believe in evolution?

by everchangingworld in

after leaving, i still couldn't wrap my head around evolution (after the years of seing "intelligent design" in everything around me).. there's a series of videos that give a good intro to evolution and critical thinking.

they've probably been posted here before, but, for any new members, these are worth watching.. evolution: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdddbyilel0.

critical thinking: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6olpl5p0fmg.

NewChapter

PS, I think you are playing a word game with me. Is it to avoid the question?

God creates a spiritual soul that is immortal and separates from the body at death. It will be reunited with the body at ressurection.

Okay.

I am talking about that soul itself---not its destination! The soul that was created by god, and that leaves the body at death---we are not discussing what happens after that.

You believe that humans have a soul and it is immortal.

My question: If you also believe in Evolution, at what point did God create souls for our ancestor? Did God watch the process of evolution and then decide, NOW is the time to create souls for them? At what point would that have happened. There has to be a moment, a line. Was a child born and then God decided, now? Was this reserved only for H. sapien? When sapien interbred with Neanderthal, were they reproucing with souless creatures, or did Neanderthal have a soul? How about H. erectus? Did they have souls?

Was it possible that parents existed without souls, but their children had souls because that is where the line had been drawn?

Do you understand the question? I don't know how to make it more clear. When did humans get souls? That immortal part of ourselves that survives death and was created by God. The part that can live with or without a physical body. Did Lucy have a soul? Did our ancestors have souls? Did species we interbred with have souls?

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Believers, do you believe in evolution?

by everchangingworld in

after leaving, i still couldn't wrap my head around evolution (after the years of seing "intelligent design" in everything around me).. there's a series of videos that give a good intro to evolution and critical thinking.

they've probably been posted here before, but, for any new members, these are worth watching.. evolution: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdddbyilel0.

critical thinking: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6olpl5p0fmg.

NewChapter

In short, we believe in life after death and after that, a resurrection of the body for a life after that life in heaven.

I don't understand this. It seems to be a two parter:

we believe in life after death: In what form?

AND AFTER that, a resurrecton of the body for a life after that life in heaven: Is this a physical life AFTER having a life in heaven? What form did the life in heaven take?

Also, I would shy away from 'we believe' because seriously, what I have received from this board, is that nobody ever seems to agree on these issues. Every person has their own individual spin on the subject.

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Believers, do you believe in evolution?

by everchangingworld in

after leaving, i still couldn't wrap my head around evolution (after the years of seing "intelligent design" in everything around me).. there's a series of videos that give a good intro to evolution and critical thinking.

they've probably been posted here before, but, for any new members, these are worth watching.. evolution: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdddbyilel0.

critical thinking: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6olpl5p0fmg.

NewChapter

Okay. So there is nobody on this board that believes the traditional view that humans have a soul, something separate from themselves, but that resides within them, and lives on after death?