i wake up thinking: what if my boyfriend and i die a terrifying death during armageddon?
with no hope of any life afterwards?.
do any of you ever feel that way?.
OR, perhaps it just took centuries for something to happen in the normal course of human events that could THEN be said to be god's judgement. Babylon smashed Judah and then the prophets can say, "See, I TOLD you so," but in reality Babylon conquered many smaller nations--it would have happened anyway.
NC
according to this video, jesus was just a man, but were can i find these books that speak of this.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m23vv6moyf0&feature=related.
Christians tolerate atheists in the public square, but Christians are generally discriminated against and silenced
That is truly a crock! You need your persecution complex, but entire governments and school systems are framed around Christian beliefs. When atheists ask to be left alone, to not have to be pressured into group prayers, to not be bound by judeo/christian morals, THAT's persecution to a Christian. I'm living in a state that is methodically chipping away at my rights in the name of Christianity. But YOU"RE persecuted. And as far as SILENCED---I WISH.
I wish you were persecuted. Maybe it would shut you up. But you never did answer my response to Jesus raised in the flesh.
NC
according to this video, jesus was just a man, but were can i find these books that speak of this.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m23vv6moyf0&feature=related.
The reason I spend any time at all challenging closed minds like godrulz is that he will likely vote for the most 'christian' candidate; that would be Michelle Bachmann, the craziest candidate out there, just because she hits his sweet spots: Jesus, no abortion, less funding for public schools, more influence from christian sources on government.
Happily he's Canadian.
according to this video, jesus was just a man, but were can i find these books that speak of this.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m23vv6moyf0&feature=related.
(refutes JW spirit recreation in favor of biblical physical resurrection/glorification...sorry again for WT allusion
First let me point out, you NEVER need to reference WT to prove your point. I don't. Why do you?
TOUCH me and see; a ghost (WT spirit idea) does NOT have flesh and bones, as you see I have.
This particular argument doesn't hold much water biblically, simply because spirit creatures OFTEN manifested with fleshly bodies. I'm thinking of angels that left heaven and actually procreated. Angels that ate with Abraham. Angels that grabbed Lot's hand, things like that. So the fact that they touched Jesus and felt flesh and bone does not support the argument that he was not a spirit being. Choose another argument.
Was Jesus misleading them with apparitions or was He making factual statements (glorified bodies like the saints will have can eat/drink, but not need bathroom; they are not immaterial, nor are they flesh/blood natural/mortal).
Okay what scripture tells you that glorified bodies can eat and drink but not use the bathroom? Are you sure this resurrected Jesus used the bathroom? Are you sure materialized angels did not? They procreated after all.
We should conform our views to the Bible instead of changing the Bible to match our views
You seem to be adding a lot of narration in between scriptures---explaining them. Make the bible explain itself. Why should I believe that materialized spirit people didn't use the bathroom and yet they procreated? Why should I believe the resurrected Jesus DID use the bathroom, (I'm assuming you think this because his literal body was raised)
Just support those assumptions. By the way, I really don't care what Muslims, Mormons or Jehovah's Witnesses believe on these. It's not relevent. Can you prove your point is right without pointing out the wrong in others? If I'm teaching a child to write, I don't have to show him all the ways to writen incorrectly. Follow me?
NC
in your arm by judge's order.
(a judge will be there at the checkpoint) and of course, if you are legally drunk, you'll be arrested on the spot.. so this weekend in tampa, they'll be sticking needles in your arms if you refuse their demands.
they say they'll be heavily advertising the area that they'll be at over the holiday..
WELL impissed. That was quite a first post. Welcome! Nothing like American courts to pull you out in the open! Tell us a little about yourself when you're ready! I wonder if Geico was required to report that you had insurance with them since Progressive obviously felt obligated to report when you left them. Sue Geico.
I want to move to Canada.
NC
an active witness on fb just told me that they are taught to "always question what we are taught" and use not only the wt publications, but any research materials, and come to a conclusion about what they find!
this is not what i've heard from you guys!
does she go to some unusual-type kingdom hall, or is she mesing with my mind?.
My experience was different. I never felt like I couldn't research in outside sources. I think many are too complacent to take that step. As long as it wasn't "apostate" they didn't seem to have any objections. Kids in school have to do it all the time. However it was my research into secular sources that led me to conclude the bible was not inspired and not necessarily true. Some parts may be true, perhaps some history. The FLOOD though--nope. Didn't happen. So maybe there is a culture of disapproval but nothing that ever made me feel like I was doing something wrong by reading other research.
If it is the truth, it will stand up under scrutiny. There is no valid reason for their anxiety, unless they are hiding something. And we know they are. And we are silenced. GENIUS!
NC
as jehovahs witnesses we were taught that the truth (belief) unifies every aspect of our lives and is of paramount importance.
are other like religions like this also?
do they emphasize belief to the same extent?.
Curtains, I've sat in on some Pentecostal bible studies. They really seemed to be full believers very interested in doctrine. They viewed speaking in tongues as a manifestation of holy spirit in their life, and they believed this gave them POWER. In other words, it wasn't a momentary experience, but sort of like charging a car battery. does that make sense. Also I used to clean houses and here is what I found in one Pentecostal house:
The boy was around 10-years-old and he had his chores listed on a poster board in his room. Here is what he was to do each day.
Morning before school.
Read bible 5 minutes
pray 5 minutes
pray in tongues 5 minutes
After school
Chores and homework
read bible 15 minutes
pray 15 minutes
pray in tongues 15 minutes.
Clearly this tongue thing is very important to their entire belief. If you separated it for them, their beliefs would crumble. They also wove that power of the spirit into the fabric of their day. For instance one teenager told a story of how he and friends were driving at night and got lost. He figured out that a demon of confusion has invaded the car. So with the power of holy spirit and in Jesus' name he cast the demon out. They found their way then. Cheaper than a TOM TOM!
N
as jehovahs witnesses we were taught that the truth (belief) unifies every aspect of our lives and is of paramount importance.
are other like religions like this also?
do they emphasize belief to the same extent?.
Curtains, I've sat in on some Pentecostal bible studies. They really seemed to be full believers very interested in doctrine. They viewed speaking in tongues as a manifestation of holy spirit in their life, and they believed this gave them POWER. In other words, it wasn't a momentary experience, but sort of like charging a car battery. does that make sense. Also I used to clean houses and here is what I found in one Pentecostal house:
The boy was around 10-years-old and he had his chores listed on a poster board in his room. Here is what he was to do each day.
Morning before school.
Read bible 5 minutes
pray 5 minutes
pray in tongues 5 minutes
After school
Chores and homework
read bible 15 minutes
pray 15 minutes
pray in tongues 15 minutes.
Clearly this tongue thing is very important to their entire belief. If you separated it for them, their beliefs would crumble. They also wove that power of the spirit into the fabric of their day. For instance one teenager told a story of how he and friends were driving at night and got lost. He figured out that a demon of confusion has invaded the car. So with the power of holy spirit and in Jesus' name he cast the demon out. They found their way then. Cheaper than a TOM TOM!
N
let me start with: i havent been to a meeting in almost 2 years, i am "inactive" and the only contact i have w the jw is the an open minded jw friend who i talk to....since i left, i have done what i want, travel, get my nose pierced again (had it pierced before i baptized but they gave me hell for it, even thought the bible doesnt say anything bad about nose piercings) and hang out w "wordly" friends who smoke, drink and swear.... i don't smoke but lately i have been giving this friend a ride and he is a-pack a day type of guy... he left his pack in my car yesterday..... so, i am working evenings this week on a special project, and this morning i decided to run some errands.
i was hungry so i stopped at macdonalds to grab some coffee... i placed my order thru the drive thru and pull over to the pay window, as i look for the money the drive-thru attendant says "wow, hello free!
", i look up and omfg one of the brothers from my congo... i acted like normal (sorry but i dont get nervous of agitated when i see a jw, i just dont give a dang) and smiled and made short conversation, while he is tellng me how much he misses seeing me at the hall, i see his eyes going between my piercing, my jet black goth hair and the pack of cigarettes on my passenger seat.... .
I say call them up, and while talking to them puff on an unlit cigarette for sound effects. LOL
let me start with: i havent been to a meeting in almost 2 years, i am "inactive" and the only contact i have w the jw is the an open minded jw friend who i talk to....since i left, i have done what i want, travel, get my nose pierced again (had it pierced before i baptized but they gave me hell for it, even thought the bible doesnt say anything bad about nose piercings) and hang out w "wordly" friends who smoke, drink and swear.... i don't smoke but lately i have been giving this friend a ride and he is a-pack a day type of guy... he left his pack in my car yesterday..... so, i am working evenings this week on a special project, and this morning i decided to run some errands.
i was hungry so i stopped at macdonalds to grab some coffee... i placed my order thru the drive thru and pull over to the pay window, as i look for the money the drive-thru attendant says "wow, hello free!
", i look up and omfg one of the brothers from my congo... i acted like normal (sorry but i dont get nervous of agitated when i see a jw, i just dont give a dang) and smiled and made short conversation, while he is tellng me how much he misses seeing me at the hall, i see his eyes going between my piercing, my jet black goth hair and the pack of cigarettes on my passenger seat.... .
LOL. Wow this story is a classic. You pull up looking like a bride of Satan (tee hee) with, *GASP* CIGARETTES! Well you can certainly toy with them. No one saw you smoking, and even if they did, there was only one witness. Very Fun.
