i was looking through my facebook and one of the friends i have on there is very angry at a particular girl who added brothers and sisters from different congregations as friends for the sole purpose of bashing the jws on their profiles.
they use the word "bashing" but who knows really if all she was doing was showing them genuine, unbiased information about the wt.
anyway, i got a kick out of the fact that an "apostate" infiltrated a lot of jw profiles as a "friend" then went all apostate on them!.
the outrage was there, naturally. However we don't know what she posted and there is the POSSIBLITY that someone read it and then began to question. Even FB has lurkers. Of course they are obliged to call her crazy etc. But what are they REALLY thinking?
NC
it is so draining for me to constantly read threads by atheists that assert that those of who are uncertain or have faith have irrational minds.
god can not be proven or unproven.
the harping is tedious.
Christians turned the other way while fascists murdered millions of people. I don't think it is an appropriate comparison.
it is so draining for me to constantly read threads by atheists that assert that those of who are uncertain or have faith have irrational minds.
god can not be proven or unproven.
the harping is tedious.
LOL MrDarkKnight. Some days I'm an atheist. Some days an agnostic. I actually attend a Unitarian Universalist church. They are fine that I say I'm an atheist. The pastor has told me I'm not under obligation to define myself anyway. As far as insulting---I don't know. It's a subjective judgement to be sure. Some of the conversations have gotten pretty heated. I would LIKE to say I'm not insulting, but if I do, someone may find a post where I WAS!
So let's just say that as a rule I don't like to insult believers. I may have broken that rule, I'm not sure. I don't like when christians cry persecution because I live in a state where being a nonbeliever is a liability. They would like for us to shut up and take it and when we don't, well then we are seeking to rip apart the fabric of society and everything they hold dear.
It's hard to stay balanced.
NC
it is so draining for me to constantly read threads by atheists that assert that those of who are uncertain or have faith have irrational minds.
god can not be proven or unproven.
the harping is tedious.
Vanderhorn, that was only a sample. The context will not change the intent. He made these types of statements repeatedly. If it's fine with you then that's okay. It wasn't fine with Simon or the majority on the board. godrulz viewed us as his own missionary field. I'm not going to change opinions---just showing you a tiny sample of how he overstepped.
NC
it is so draining for me to constantly read threads by atheists that assert that those of who are uncertain or have faith have irrational minds.
god can not be proven or unproven.
the harping is tedious.
Let me paste something I saved Vanderhoven:
godrulze said: You did not think in your past and it appears you are not thinking now either. WT gives simplistic answers for complex problems appealing to simpletons
it is so draining for me to constantly read threads by atheists that assert that those of who are uncertain or have faith have irrational minds.
god can not be proven or unproven.
the harping is tedious.
LOL. We were much nicer when we kept it all to ourselves. Most atheists I know are content to keep it just that way--however when approached they also feel they have a right to express their own beliefs and non-beliefs. That makes people uncomfortable. When a christian says that an atheist will go to hell or be destroyed, or whatever their favorite flavor of destruction is, they really shouldn't be shocked when the atheist responds that the chrisitan is irrational or misled. Funny when it only feels like persecution one way and not the other.
NC
it is so draining for me to constantly read threads by atheists that assert that those of who are uncertain or have faith have irrational minds.
god can not be proven or unproven.
the harping is tedious.
MrDarkKnight. Isn't it wonderful to be able to look at things like evolution objectively? It's so liberatng. You have a right to conclude whatever seems reasonable--but I'm so happy you've given yourself permission to look. I believed in god all my life. I never wanted to quit believing. One day the facts slipped through, and I came to a conclusion.
First of all, there are so many things about the bible that science actually disproves. My lightbulb moment came when I was studying the flood in detail for a story I was writing. I saw how impossible that story was and realized that if THIS account was suspect they all were. That allowed me to research other things such as evolution.
Also study world religions and history. There is much to be revealed in this study. When you look at the sheer numbers of people and beliefs, it leads you to ask why? Why does one claim to be the truth and all others lies. How much of that simply depends on WHERE you are born? We all like to think we are born in the best place with the best belief system---but how can that be true for all?
I will trust you to come to your own conclusions. If you are ever up to discussion, you can certainly get it here. You are on your way. Keep us updated.
NC
it is so draining for me to constantly read threads by atheists that assert that those of who are uncertain or have faith have irrational minds.
god can not be proven or unproven.
the harping is tedious.
Operative word here being "facts" - myths and legends should at least be taught as just that, (if taught at all in general education) - but not as facts
James I completely agree with you. Just as I feel it is important to teach internationally accepted science so that we are ready to compete, I think it is important too to look at the different belief systems in the world. We need to understand each other. But let me ask you something. What do you think would happen in Texas schools if students were encouraged to study Islam---not as a recruiting tool, but to help them understand?
I believe it was Texas that removed text books for referencing Islam more often than Christianity. Which would actually be balanced since the majority are very familiar with Christianity and clueless to Islam. But that too was persecution against christians.
NC
it is so draining for me to constantly read threads by atheists that assert that those of who are uncertain or have faith have irrational minds.
god can not be proven or unproven.
the harping is tedious.
hmmm, godrulz regularly called everyone on this board simpletons and ignorant. Perhaps that word persecution doesn't mean what you think it means. I suppose to be a non-fascist atheist, we would have had to passively stood by while he insulted us and said "oh he's only expressing his beliefs." Beliefs which include me going to hell, us being stupid, him being superior, all of us being damaged and lost and him needing to show us the way.
It's fine to insult people, but when they push back, it's bad form to call it persecution. That was my point with the definitions. It's fine to believe as you wish, but when you push it to the point of changing policy and taking government hostage---expect some push back. And don't cry about it when it comes.
Look the christian agenda doesn't only suppress atheists, it suppresses ANY notnchristian. Right now Muslims are a favorite. We have a congressman from Florida that really believes that it is not religious persecution to refuse permits to build mosques. But turn it around and don't allow churches to be built and THAT would be persecution.
I said it earlier, right now in the US there is alot of contention. It is spilling over.
NC
it is so draining for me to constantly read threads by atheists that assert that those of who are uncertain or have faith have irrational minds.
god can not be proven or unproven.
the harping is tedious.
I get really pissed when those fairies tell them to gain political power to force their agenda and when the fairies seek to destroy school curriculum because the facts being taught hurts them. And then, when there is an effort to keep the fairies at bay they scream persecution.
NC
