I don't care about MT's supposed atheism or agnosticism. In fact, I KNEW all that long before I heard about this other stuff. And I just figured that she lived a difficult life, and saw the worst that the world had to offer, and it caused her to question her faith at times. That is not even a criticism I have of the woman. People fluctuate and struggle all their lives, so moments of deep doubt mean nothing in the whole. Why would I care if she was really an atheist? I wouldn't. But since she beleived that other people's suffering brought her closer to her god, I think it is safe to say she never seriously played with atheism. And I wouldn't have cared if she had.
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by james_woods inwhile i am no fan of mother teresa after reading some of the revealed facts about her life and work - i thought this was just a little out of the realm of polite conversation (but was interesting):.
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atheist group at dartmouth plans anti mother teresa event.. .
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If it were merely criticism or scrutiny, perhaps. No one is above that, and certainly not MT. What these atheists are doing, however, is an attempt at character assasination. I believe it is driven by ideology and hatred.
Except it is not only atheists that are appalled. I had no issue with MT before I started hearing those that worked with her talk. Even as an atheist, I had no special hatred for her. In fact, those that she supposedly cared for likely shared her faith. At least some of them. I heard from her own mouth give speeches where she condemned birth control. That in itself is enough to drive me over the edge. She was dealing with extreme poverty and mandating that these people stayed in extreme poverty and bring more and more children into it. Children they couldn't care for.
You can guess at motives, but why would I care about those that I believe were hurt by her? Would I not also hate them? Would I not rather say something like, "stupid Catholics, following stupid rules, being irresponsible and bringing all these children forward that they are too poor to care for! They deserved what they got!" No. I don't think like that. So it can't be hatred or ideology driving me.
Instead, I look at these poverty stricken Catholics, and those that fell in with them, and I think they didn't deserve the treatment they got.
I look at devout Catholics that donated to her cause, and learn she didn't use the money to do what it was intended to do, and I think how wrong it was to misuse their money that they gave out of love.
Anything negative that comes out about this woman will appear to be a character assassination, because she has been elevated to unreasonable heights. Any suggestion that she was not well motivated will be a character assassination.
It's not Christopher Hitchens, or Penn Jillette that this information orginates, but people that served with her, people that went there, people that had the best expectations and were devastated by the reality.
So I reject your theory that it is ideology and hate. Can you think for one moment that this information changes the narrative? And we don't have to have any special hate to hear of it. I, for one, was very disapointed to learn all this. Because even as an atheist, she had my respect. She didn't deserve it. And that was a let-down.
I have said this before and I will say it again. People look at Catholic charity and insist that we must view that as a good thing. But telling the poorest among us that they MUST continue to have children they cannot care for, and then opening orphanages and homes to die in---giving out rice---is nothing more than cleaning up their own mess.
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atheist group at dartmouth plans anti mother teresa event.. .
http://www.campusreform.org/blog/?id=4503.
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Is that the criteria, Botch? Walk in their shoes before we look at her deeds? Can I hold you to that when you criticize others?
There are plenty of lives I have not lived, but that does not disqualify me from looking at how others behave. Many did actually go there and see and help---then they came back and told what they saw----I think THEY are qualified to relate what was going on---and it wasn't good.
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by james_woods inwhile i am no fan of mother teresa after reading some of the revealed facts about her life and work - i thought this was just a little out of the realm of polite conversation (but was interesting):.
atheist group at dartmouth plans anti mother teresa event.. .
http://www.campusreform.org/blog/?id=4503.
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Char, you are one angry person. How you distorts things, and then keep them going is just amazing. Why are you bringing up other forums in a negative light? I thought we were not allowed to do that. I can go and find the post if you like.
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atheist group at dartmouth plans anti mother teresa event.. .
http://www.campusreform.org/blog/?id=4503.
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did not distinguish between curable and incurable patients, so that people who could otherwise survive would be at risk of dying from infections and lack of treatment.
THIS is one of my biggest complaints against her, although there are many. When a 15-year-old boy was dying of a kidney problem that could have been treated with antibiotics, but wasn't, and had progressed to the need for surgery, visitors asked if the boy could be sent to the hospital. He WOULD HAVE lived, but their answer was, no, if you do it for one you have to do it for all. But I'm sure they said it in a kindly voice and dabbed his brow and he died a needless, painful death. So sweet.
I bet that 50 mil that she mostly invested in nunneries around the world with her name on them could have gone a long way in curing the curable.
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by james_woods inwhile i am no fan of mother teresa after reading some of the revealed facts about her life and work - i thought this was just a little out of the realm of polite conversation (but was interesting):.
atheist group at dartmouth plans anti mother teresa event.. .
http://www.campusreform.org/blog/?id=4503.
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"super secret room"
LOL--I've seen this anger at anything private or not open to the public brought up here quite a bit. Now I see it's an issue for these people. What is it about private that brings out the ominous "SUPER SECRET" allegations? LOL. It's amusing.
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atheist group at dartmouth plans anti mother teresa event.. .
http://www.campusreform.org/blog/?id=4503.
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I suppose there exist people who think Theresa's Nobel Prize was awarded in error, while the President's was not.
Actually, I never quite understood why Obama won the Nobel Peace Prize. I am still unclear on why it was awareded. I tended to think it was more about stated philosophy than action, and I think it should be based on the actions of an individual. However it didn't really bother me that he won, simply because I think he has acted well in the international stage. So whatever.
Here was a woman who got off on other people's suffering so that she could achieve her spiritual high. She was a horrible person who denied health care to the dying---and not all of them had to die except for the intervention of this lovely saint---and had them live their lives out on cots in a room, allowed no visitors in their dying days, not friends, not family. She took the bulk of that money donated to her to build nunneries around the world that bore her name. Not to help the poor and suffering. She wanted them to suffer, because she had some sick idea that being exposed to their suffering brought her closer to her god. She could have allieviated much suffering, and instead, she chose not to take those steps.
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by james_woods inwhile i am no fan of mother teresa after reading some of the revealed facts about her life and work - i thought this was just a little out of the realm of polite conversation (but was interesting):.
atheist group at dartmouth plans anti mother teresa event.. .
http://www.campusreform.org/blog/?id=4503.
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by james_woods inwhile i am no fan of mother teresa after reading some of the revealed facts about her life and work - i thought this was just a little out of the realm of polite conversation (but was interesting):.
atheist group at dartmouth plans anti mother teresa event.. .
http://www.campusreform.org/blog/?id=4503.
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For most of my life, it never occurred to me that MT was anything other than loving. Then I read about her. She's a wretched person that did a LOT of damage. People died because of her. It's laughable that anyone would consider this little monster worthy of sainthood.
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non believers what if your wrong ?
by unstopableravens ini do not wish to debate anything here like i have said in the past i have much respect for most on this forum (believers and non believers) i am simply wondering if the atheist or non god believers every worry about what if your wrong?
it seems that many who were jw for so many years attach jehovah/yahweh with the watchtower and since the wt is wrong than god does not exist.
i ask this question only because i care about people and salvation thats why i want to help as many as possable come out of this cult,and since i truly believe in god i dont know what is in the cinscience of those who dont.
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knowsnothing- yes a lie is a lie and lying is a sin in yahwehs eyes. keep in mind just because something good comes from something bad does not change the definition of a lie and it is wrong in gods eyes. we all would hopefully agree that rape in bad, but if a women gets pregnet does it no longer a crime because a child now has life. no rape is a crime and lying is a sin
I don't think rape and lies should be compared. I mean, I know it really sounded good to people with the whole Christian view, right/wrong, good/ bad, black/white, God/Satan thingy, but it is not a logical conclusion. I don't lie. It's not because some book or god told me not to lie, but I find it uncomfortable and unhealthy for relationships. I also want people to trust me. And yet, as a free moral agent, I am able to evaluate a situation and decide on the best course of action. I DO think that outcome matters, unlike the black and white thinker. What if a lie saves a woman from being raped? Is the lie bad? Would the rape be better? That's the problem with giving up your own will to follow the will of an ancient culture that didn't even follow its own writings. What if a lie protects someone from harm? Is that lie bad? Would the harm be better?
This is nothing more than a passing of responsiblity. Gee, I'm sorry you got your face pounded in, but I really couldn't lie. And the thing is, I don't think there are many Christians out there that would choose honesty over protection, but they give it a lot of lip service. I don't believe in sin. I believe in consequences. I look at every situation, and I decide what the consequences of each action would be. I am free to do that, because I don't believe in sin.
I can't think of one scenario where the benefits of rape would outweigh the consequences. Well there is one, but that was a freaky book I read, and is unlikely to happen in real life.
The rape analogy would be amusing, if it wasn't so horrible. Because the bible is full of condoned rape and unequal power distribution that makes sex little more than rape. But that's all okay, cuz God said so.
What if I'm wrong? Well then I guess that means there is a god out there that orders genocide, allows for rape, and punishes the liar. I guess that means I am little more than property. I suppose it means that half the people I know would have been stoned to death or even more of them will burn in Hell--or whatever your flavor of punishment is. I suppose I would be in Dom/Sub relationship, and I didn't even get the benefit of agreeing to it. It would mean that this god, like an abusive spouse, shows how much he loves by brutalizing those bound to him. It would suck big time. Happily, I'm not wrong.