Posts by bafh

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Are Jehovah's Witnesses Christian or Cult, Do JWs Offer Solutions for Local and Global Problems of life?

by skepticSam in

the awake on "hope for the homelessness" was one of the worse illustrations how the cult has no love for anyone that can't provide donations to further this spiritual ponzi scheme!

the premise of this awake made no sense, i've read many books and took classes on social issues affecting mankind, the awake does not help fix the problem.

what did this magazine offer those who are suffering the humiliation of living out of their cars or "tent city" or under a bridge?

bafh

They have the nerve to criticise churches in Christendom that do run food banks and homeless shelters . They seem to see it as bribery .I once heard the term " rice Christians " said in a very derogatory tone about people in third world countries accepting food from Christian organisations .

It is interesting to me that in the account of Sermon on the Mount, Jesus fed the people before preaching. According to Maslow, humans cannot attend their spiritual needs before their physical ones. In my opinion, churches in providing food and sometimes shelter are following Jesus example more fully than the WT.

WT is dogmatic and short-sighted yet again. They have been so driven to be different and separate that now as they are desperate for money and members they are starting to look more and more like the 700 Club - begging for money and preaching the Rapture.

I'm popping some corn, it's gonna be a good show.😎

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Wives who complain about their husbands work schedule but refuse to get a job

by hoser in

jw
friends

i listen to one of these all time in our hall.

she brings it up constantly about how they would do this or that but he has to work that saturday.

i think she should get a job and then he could find a lower paying 9 to 5 job..

bafh

This whole discussion illustrates my point when I tell my mom one reason I don't go to meetings is there is no place for me:

* single, happy - not pinning over a man

* successful entrepreneur

* ambitious - not going to spend my time pioneering

* educated - some college and some self

* financially stable

all of which flies in the face of the single-sister-desperate-to-get-married-financially-struggling-regular-pioneer social slot that I would be expected to fill -

to say nothing of the fact that I travel on a regular basis for work and my work involves a social cause [GASP!]

oh, and I always offer to pay on my dates 😊

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What is their position on IVF?

by voodoo lady in

for example, if a married couple had fertility issues relating to the male partner's sperm, could they use a donor?.

is it frowned upon in a more general sense because people should be preaching rather than procreating?.

bafh

"In a variation that some term 'embryo adoption,' the embryos placed in a wife's womb involve neither her eggs nor her husband's sperm.

How is this any different than actual adoption of a baby unrelated to the parents? These kinds of nit picky rule making is so ridiculous.

BAFH

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Turning disassociation around on the org

by tim3l0rd in

recently i was researching the scripture used to justify why da'd ones were to be shunned the same as df'd ones and decided that this could easily be turned around.

they use 2 john 9-11.. 9 everyone who pushes ahead and does not remain in the teaching of the christ does not have god.+ the one who does remain in this teaching is the one who has both the father and the son.

10 if anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your homes or say a greeting to him.

bafh

w11 7/15 p. 16 par. 6 Will You Heed Jehovah's Clear Warnings?
"How can we protect ourselves against false teachers? The Bible's counsel regarding how to deal with them is clear. (Read Romans 16:17; 2 John 9-11.) 'Avoid them,' says God's Word. Other translations render that phrase 'turn away from them,' 'keep away from them,' and 'stay away from them!' There is nothing ambiguous about that inspired counsel."

Thus, my choice to "stay away" is justified and scriptural by their own teaching. 😎

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"Keeping up with Jehovah's Chariot"

by FusionTheism in

clarified understandings / new light of the past 7 years or so:.

* the faithful and discreet slave is only the governing body and only since 1919.. * the faithful slave was appointed in 1919 by jesus but it will not receive its greater authority until the judgment of the sheep and goats.. * charles taze russell was not part of the faithful and discreet slave.. * there was no slave for 1900 years before 1919.. * there may not have been any anointed during those 1900 years, but it's possible there were a few.. * 1935 was not the cut-off date for the selection of the anointed-- this selection is still ongoing.

* 1935 has no special biblical significance.. * 1918 has no special biblical significance.. * gog of magog is not satan, but is a coalition of nations, who may be ruled by the mysterious king of the north.. * there is no evil slave class.

bafh

w05 5/1 p. 22 par. 18 The Resurrection Hope—What Does It Mean for You?
We realize that should we die before Armageddon, a continued course of conduct displeasing to Jehovah could put us in the same position as those who have no prospect of a resurrection.

Uh, what happened to " the wages sin pays is death" and the resurrection of the "righteous and unrighteous"?
How do people not see these blatantly unscriptural comments and is anyone on the GB or writing department really doing a quality control check before this shit gets printed?

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2015 Regional Convention Anthony Morris Governing Body encourages coerced baptism of unwilling children ...again

by Watchtower-Free in

this is from the last talk of the convention ......... clip 1:30 minutes longhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrej8tlyiso&feature=youtu.be.

bafh

If I was still in and if I had kids - I would start talking to them early about waiting to make those kinds of big decisions until they are much older. Christ set the example - and was 30. We know now that humans achieve adult reasoning in their late 20s or early 30s.

This is another example of going beyond what is written. How can they say with a straight face they don't do infant baptism when the children are so young? It's really a technicality.

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My Parents Lost Forever?

by Hold Me-Thrill Me in

jw
friends

my father served in the second world war.

he served in the south pacific.

he loved his time in the military and my mother was more than supporting.

bafh

I don't think that humans have the capacity to know the answer to that question. It is a wait and see.

Although it is hard, I think there is great benefit in practicing accepting things the way they are right now without hoping for an easy answer. I think humans like the idea of eternal life - obviously most cultures and religions have some version of it.

Regardless of what you choose to believe, there is no way to KNOW the answer until you die and see for yourself. You will either see them again or you won't.

Until then,you have to choose how to deal with the uncertainty.

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Disfellowship, Disassociate, or fade. What would you do different.

by John Aquila in

hindsight: .

many times because of the shock of learning ttatt, a person loses it.

you want to scream and tell the whole world that the watchtower is a big lie.

bafh

I faded and that is what I recommend to others...You are right though, some people are so angry (understandably so) that they are not able to contain it and they say and do things that are not in their own best interest.

Ultimately, it depends on what people want the outcome to be. I am a 4th generation JW, so there was a lot for me to lose if I was out with it all. I wanted to maintain contact with my family, so I faded. And I moved out of my old territory and never contacted the congregation where I now live.

I would advise people who are fading and who do not want to appear as a threat to their family and friends to keep opinions to yourself, and to be encouraging to them as people. If something is important to them, be happy for them, encourage them. It does not imply agreement or consent. It just means can love them just as they are with no expectation they will be different.

That said, if you have family who are mean or abusive to you - then keeping your distance is probably wise.

Get into therapy. Fight the training that "everyone is dangerous", quell the paranoia and start building your social network outside of the congregation so when you fade you have something to fade into. That was one of the hardest things for me to overcome - having no social support in the congregation and no social support outside the congregation.

You might find a group in your area like Sunday Assembly. Lots of people like you and me there and it is a wonderful group to fall in with.

BAFH

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Are You "Technically" Still A Jehovah's Witness?

by minimus in

jw
friends

even if you don't regard yourself as a practicing jw, some may view you simply as inactive, a lost sheep, etc.. if you were baptized but not disfellowshipped or disassociated, you may still be a jw---right?

your thoughts please..

bafh

I'm technically still in. My official status is inactive. I haven't attended for about 7 years. According to my friend ( an elder's wife) at the recent Elder's school - they were told to treat all of the inactive as if they were still sheep. So my friend said, "that is how I look at you - you are still a sheep and I want to bring you closer to the fold."

It is sort of sad to me that this was a big revelation. Like being nice to people is such a new thing to them.

BAFH

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Doing away with Calculating How Close we are to THE END

by FusionTheism in

the watchtower study edition, august 2015, "keep in expectation!

" article:.

paragraph 3: "after looking forward to the end of this system for what may seem to be a long time, however, some may wonder, do we still have sound reasons to keep in expectation?

bafh

It seems to me so much of people's faith and therefore their actions is based on their reward being "imminent". You can do or believe almost anything for a short time especially if there is some greater reward to look forward to in a very short time.

This has been a pet peeve of mine for a while now - the Bible says, "You do not know the day nor the hour, neither the Son. Only the Father." (or something like that). So it hasn't made sense to me for a long time that they have been obsessed with 1914 and predicting the time of the end.

Now that it has come to nothing, they are backtracking. It will be interesting to see how many people leave now that there is no timeline for the reward.

And I will be interested now to see if this gives them the opportunity to focus on what kind of people they are instead of what kind of works they produce that other people can see.

I think this is the beginning of an important turning point.