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  "We Already Forgive Him" - What Does That Mean?

  by cofty in

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  the children of one of yesterday's shooting have told the media that they have already forgiven the killer for what he did.. dylaan roof has not apologised for what he did.

  he hates black people and probably regrets not killing even more.. what does it really mean to forgive?.

  if the legal system asked the victims relatives what they want done next would they ask for dylaan to go free and unpunished?.

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  bafh

  It was not an attack, it is my opinion of the qualities that you are presenting in your argument. I happen to think that your opinion is narrow, immature and petty. That isn't a personal attack on you. It is you presenting a very black and white world view that is dogmatic and rigid.

  I did engage in mature conversation. My question is "what right do you have or any of us have to judge?" has not yet been addressed. and you throw out an example of how a parent would interact with a child which is not relevant to the event being discussed.

  No. You either punish or you forgive. Or you punish and then you forgive.

  You seem pretty stuck on this point - that it is one or the other - but then contradict yourself and are dogmatic about what the "right" order is. What do you base this on?

  In my world, there is forgiveness and consequences. They are not mutually exclusive or even remotely related to another, and are not required to be done in any particular order.
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  "We Already Forgive Him" - What Does That Mean?

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the children of one of yesterday's shooting have told the media that they have already forgiven the killer for what he did.. dylaan roof has not apologised for what he did.

  he hates black people and probably regrets not killing even more.. what does it really mean to forgive?.

  if the legal system asked the victims relatives what they want done next would they ask for dylaan to go free and unpunished?.

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  bafh

  ok. well, I guess I don't agree with your assessment. What right do you or any of us have have to judge? None from my point of view. Doing so just makes you appear immature, small minded and petty.

  You seem very dogmatic and rigid. Life must be so much easier in black and white.
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  called the service department asked him how are shunned one viewed

  by poopie in

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  are they still jehovahs sheep he chuckles no i said then what are they he said i dont know next question from him what congregation do you attend so i laughed and said why do you want to know ha ha

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  bafh

  Doesn't that contradict their recent article with the "lost sheep" illustration?
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  "We Already Forgive Him" - What Does That Mean?

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the children of one of yesterday's shooting have told the media that they have already forgiven the killer for what he did.. dylaan roof has not apologised for what he did.

  he hates black people and probably regrets not killing even more.. what does it really mean to forgive?.

  if the legal system asked the victims relatives what they want done next would they ask for dylaan to go free and unpunished?.

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  bafh

  I think what has irritated me about this is that it isn't authentic.
  
  Here we have adult children of a murder victim saying they already forgive the murderer of their parent less than 24 hours after the event. The murderer is still filled with hate and has expressed no regret.
  There is nothing authentic about this. It is a pre-programmed reaction. They are performing for the watching world.

  Really, who are you to judge how these people feel? Talk about a high horse. You may not be capable of forgiveness as swiftly, but that does not make their ability to do so any less real.
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  "We Already Forgive Him" - What Does That Mean?

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the children of one of yesterday's shooting have told the media that they have already forgiven the killer for what he did.. dylaan roof has not apologised for what he did.

  he hates black people and probably regrets not killing even more.. what does it really mean to forgive?.

  if the legal system asked the victims relatives what they want done next would they ask for dylaan to go free and unpunished?.

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  bafh

  Parents don't say that - but they do forgive their child and send them to their room, or put them in time out, or any number of punishments.

  Forgiveness does not require that there be no restitution. Even in the Old Testament, there was a process laid out to restore what had been taken, or damaged that allowed for the individual to remain part of the community. For example, If something was stolen, it had to be repaid 7 times as much.

  the individual was forgiven, and there were consequences.

  You are referring to an event that happened in a modern, western world. And the consequences for this type of action have been established in law by the citizens. A jury of his peers found him guilty, and he was ordered to pay for the murders he committed with his life.

  What would you prefer the outcome to be?
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  "We Already Forgive Him" - What Does That Mean?

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the children of one of yesterday's shooting have told the media that they have already forgiven the killer for what he did.. dylaan roof has not apologised for what he did.

  he hates black people and probably regrets not killing even more.. what does it really mean to forgive?.

  if the legal system asked the victims relatives what they want done next would they ask for dylaan to go free and unpunished?.

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  bafh

  You are confusing forgiveness with consequences.

  Forgiveness is letting go of negative feelings such as anger or revenge toward the person who has harmed you. It an action a person takes for themselves, not for the person who they forgive. It is a way to free oneself from the upset around a bad experience. It does not require the other person to do anything, not even apologize.

  You can forgive someone and still enforce consequences. Parents do it all the time. And, repentance, does not forego consequences either. A person may have a real remorse for the harm they have done, and still suffer the consequences of their actions. I believe this happens to some in prison. Does not change the outcome of their situation, but it does change them internally.

  The two are separate and unrelated in many cases.
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  Candace Conti Case

  by truthseekeriam in

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  filed:.

  letter dated june 22, 2015, notifying the court that petitioners, watchtower and fremont congregation have reached a settlement with respondent, conti.. .

  click here to request automatic e-mail notifications about this case..

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  wait, does this mean that she won, or they won? They've settled before. I thought her intention was to take it as far as it would go to force their hand to change policy. I must have missed something, but it seems like she has given up. Didn't the court ruling state that the WT was NOT required to protect the congregation? So how is this a "win"?
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  Are Jehovah's Witnesses Christian or Cult, Do JWs Offer Solutions for Local and Global Problems of life?

  by skepticSam in

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  the awake on "hope for the homelessness" was one of the worse illustrations how the cult has no love for anyone that can't provide donations to further this spiritual ponzi scheme!

  the premise of this awake made no sense, i've read many books and took classes on social issues affecting mankind, the awake does not help fix the problem.

  what did this magazine offer those who are suffering the humiliation of living out of their cars or "tent city" or under a bridge?

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  They have the nerve to criticise churches in Christendom that do run food banks and homeless shelters . They seem to see it as bribery .I once heard the term " rice Christians " said in a very derogatory tone about people in third world countries accepting food from Christian organisations .

  It is interesting to me that in the account of Sermon on the Mount, Jesus fed the people before preaching. According to Maslow, humans cannot attend their spiritual needs before their physical ones. In my opinion, churches in providing food and sometimes shelter are following Jesus example more fully than the WT.

  WT is dogmatic and short-sighted yet again. They have been so driven to be different and separate that now as they are desperate for money and members they are starting to look more and more like the 700 Club - begging for money and preaching the Rapture.

  I'm popping some corn, it's gonna be a good show.😎
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  Wives who complain about their husbands work schedule but refuse to get a job

  by hoser in

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  i listen to one of these all time in our hall.

  she brings it up constantly about how they would do this or that but he has to work that saturday.

  i think she should get a job and then he could find a lower paying 9 to 5 job..

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  bafh

  This whole discussion illustrates my point when I tell my mom one reason I don't go to meetings is there is no place for me:

  * single, happy - not pinning over a man

  * successful entrepreneur

  * ambitious - not going to spend my time pioneering

  * educated - some college and some self

  * financially stable

  all of which flies in the face of the single-sister-desperate-to-get-married-financially-struggling-regular-pioneer social slot that I would be expected to fill -

  to say nothing of the fact that I travel on a regular basis for work and my work involves a social cause [GASP!]

  
  

  oh, and I always offer to pay on my dates 😊
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  What is their position on IVF?

  by voodoo lady in

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  for example, if a married couple had fertility issues relating to the male partner's sperm, could they use a donor?.

  is it frowned upon in a more general sense because people should be preaching rather than procreating?.

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  bafh

  "In a variation that some term 'embryo adoption,' the embryos placed in a wife's womb involve neither her eggs nor her husband's sperm.

  How is this any different than actual adoption of a baby unrelated to the parents? These kinds of nit picky rule making is so ridiculous.

  BAFH