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  Believing in God - Challenge

  by jgnat in

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  i invite king solomon and anyone else that is interested, to discuss if believing in god may be helpful.

  i am not restricting the discussion to the biblical god.

  i'm ready to look if this belief may be helpful both from a societal and from an individual point of view.

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  DarioKehl

  No. It's entirley detrimental and a waste of time, energy, emotion and resources.
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  5 Reasons Why the DEAF Masturbation Video is different than anything before...

  by BluePill2 in

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  as some of you have noticed the asl video warning against masturbation (another guilt trip) is creating waves.

  this is not small fry.

  1. it is humorous - most topics (like other policies) are serious/depressing (blood, shunning, pedos).

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  I saw it on Jeff Ross's show tonight as well. Almost spit my beer all over the room. For people outside the JW/WBTS/exJW world to pick up on it means that the trends on YouTube are getting notice from people on the "outside." Keep postin', people!
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  At This Point In Your Life Would You Care If You Were Disfellowshipped or Disassociated?

  by minimus in

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  i'm curious..

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  DarioKehl

  Yes. It would really hurt my friends and family. I want out, but can't do that to them. It sucks.
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  A question for Athiests

  by EndofMysteries in

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  i really do not understand how any can be athiests from thinking real hard about it.

  how can you think everything on this earth just happened?.

  from my understanding, to be athiest, this is pretty much how it goes.

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  DarioKehl

  Wow...

  Night Owl, you're so sadly misinformed. First of all, you flavor everything with loaded and insulting language. No one is "demanding" anything. The burden of proof is upon the person making the claim. You claim God exists. I have a right to ask for proof and you have the moral responsibility to provide it to your claim. Otherwise, I do not have to believe it. Scientific proof comes from physical, observable evidence. Data is gathered by observation and testing, followed by a detailed analysis. This "proof" is then published publicly and under the constant scrutiny of peer review. Science is adaptable and changing. When solutions come along that disprove or qualifiy previously held theories, the world of academia is updated based on new evidence.

  Your god only requires faith. He has no way of being measured or observed because, conveniently, he's always juuuuuusst out of reach. When the Greeks didn't know what thunder was, they attributed it to gods. Science eventually explained thunder. Anytime there's an unknown gap, the theists cram god into it. Well, now that the scientific method has had centuries of success, god's gaps are further apart than ever before and ridiculously small. Now, all you have to do is say "he exists outside of space and time and we can't measure his energy." Really... Well, Science will eventually debunk that claim as well. It will. It has gone that way since humans opened their minds to critical thinking and escaped the bondage of religion. NEVER--EVER EVER EVER--has something with a scientific explanation been disproven by something supernatural. It has always gone the other direction.

  Now, you claim that the only proof we have of our "silly" (nice...) theories about life's beginning are a "bunch of flawed experiments in a lab" and you want "real world proof." LMFAO ARE YOU SERIOUS?????????? What experiments do you know of that are flawed? Please, if you know of one, you'd better publish a paper debunking the experiment because let me tell you, of all the thousands of scientists in the world who will bite at any opportunity to debunk a collegue, YOU are the only one who knows about "flaws" in a "bunch" of experiments?!?!?!?! Alert Sweden too, buddy, because if you blow the whistle on this and disprove evolution, dude, you will recieve the Nobel Prize and become more famous than Stephen Hawking. Seriously! You will! Get the word out because the entire planet of academics have either not noticed or ignored these giant flaws that you claim to know about.

  Back to reality now, you need to take a look at these "flawed experiments" and see for yourself. Are you referring to Miller-Urey? Gee... did you perhaps first hear about their "flaws" from a, oh i dunno... CHRISTIAN publication?????? Did Kent Hovind "debunk" it in one of his infamous videos? Did Banana-Man Ray Comfort or "Croc-a-Duck" Kirk Cameron debunk it? If so, then THEY should have already won the Nobel Prize.

  Tell me, Owl, what proof would YOU need from an atheist like ME to believe in evolution? And if you say "Show me a duck give birth to a tomato," then your understanding of evolution is totally flawed.
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  A question for Athiests

  by EndofMysteries in

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  i really do not understand how any can be athiests from thinking real hard about it.

  how can you think everything on this earth just happened?.

  from my understanding, to be athiest, this is pretty much how it goes.

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  DarioKehl

  "Chance" is the most misused word against evolution. Yes, random mutations occur by chance, however, the second--and more important process--is selection. Creationists love to ignore that half of it.

  Anyway...

  End of Mysteries!!! Take this advice only if you want to learn and expand your thinking. Do not do this if you will plug your ears, close your eyes and go "La-la-la!!!" Obviously, you're not a biology major and probably not that interested in Science, otherwise, you'd know better than to word the questions the way you did. I'm not trying to diss you, but it's always clear to me who knows about evolution and who doesn't by the way they present SO MANY logical fallacies in their questions. That's not your fault, either. ALL religions are guilty of using academic dishonesty, forgery, quote-mining and all kinds of dubious tactics to teach their followers a laughable and ridiculously flawed lesson in evolution. So, I don't blame you at all for wanting to know answers to some questions, but first, we gotta help you ask the CORRECT questions! So, follow the list below in order and try to absorb everyhing. Trust me, you will have questions going off in your mind that begin with "Well, yeah, but, what about this? This doesn't explain this..." Great! I WANT YOU to think those because if you keep watching and reading, every "well yeah, but..." question will be addressed eventually. At some point, you'll stop and think "OMG---this is it!"

  EOM's TO DO LIST:

  1) Go to YouTube and visit the Thunderf00t channel (use zeros for the "o's" in "foot"). Scroll all the way down and watch him from the beginning.

  2) For a lay person, get Richard Dawkins book for kids/teens called "The Magic of Reality." AMAZING. Well illustrated and perfectly explained!

  4) Subscribe to "The Thinking Atheist" podcast. Seth is very well-mannered, funny and an all around nice guy. He also has a YouTube channel by the same name.

  5) Read "Why Evolution is True" by Jerry A. Coyne. It's great--I read the whole thing while on a boating/camping trip over labor day a few years ago.

  6) If you're up to reading at a higher level, definitely get Richard Dawkin's book "The God Delusion" and take your time with it. He has a brilliant section where he includes actual examples from the JWs very own "Life--How Did It Get Here, By Evolution of Creation?" book and exposes their dishonest quoting and use of long-debunked logical fallacies.

  7) In the meantime, watch as much PBS, NatGeo and Science Channel programs as you can! Melt your DVR machine with these! (Avoid History, Discovery and The Learning Channel: they sold out to the idea of satisfying the needs of viewers in our modern Idiocracy: fat, intellectually lazy morons who gobble up pseudoscience topics like ancient aliens, ghost hunting, ufo chasing, cryptozoology affirmation and staged shows about feuding auctioneers, repo men and the worst humans alive on earth with "honey boo-boo." RIDICULOUS. There needs to be a Darwinian solution to thinning our gene pool down--and quick!)
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  Do you come here seeking?

  by alias in

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  i'm just curious at how many others might spend time on this website hoping to make sense of it all, despite being brought up or converted to jw after leaving.

  i can't seem to fill the hole of my existential crisis after fading out.

  the spectrum of atheism to beliving still doesn't fill the gap.

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  DarioKehl

  No. I disagree. Athiesm does the opposite. Rather than adopting a "why bother" approach, try a "make every second count" or "squeeze every drop out of life as you can, while you can" approach. That's what I started doing and I've never been happier!
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  Homage to Terry's Top Ten List from a Humanist (who's going thru the 'anger phase' of the exit process)

  by DarioKehl in

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  billions of years ago, star dust exploded from ancient supernovae and eventually coalesced to form our local solar system.

  earth, against astronomical odds, found itself in the optimal location, seeded with the elements essential to form living organisms.

  billons of years of natural selection, global catastrohpies, extinctions and atmospheric changes have whiddled the vast biological community down to the fortunate, best-suited survivor species we see before us.

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  DarioKehl

  Yes, Carlin was a genius. I poke fun of the situation from time to time. We all laugh, but on the inside, many of us are hurting. I'm not as angry today, but I still stand by the first post I made in this thread 100%. You'd be nuts if you didn't get angry about it.
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  Starting to read 1984 by Orwell

  by TimothyT in

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  i bought the book for a number of reasons:.

  1. it sounds brill.. 2. it sounds like the kind of people who read are rather clever and well educated (and i want to be one of them).. 3. i may find it interesting how it relates to the jws.. regarding the latter, does anyone have any thoughts and feeling on this point, or is there anything i should look out for when comparing what orwell writes about with the jws?.

  timmy :).

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  DarioKehl

  it's a terrific read, tim!
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  Homage to Terry's Top Ten List from a Humanist (who's going thru the 'anger phase' of the exit process)

  by DarioKehl in

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  billions of years ago, star dust exploded from ancient supernovae and eventually coalesced to form our local solar system.

  earth, against astronomical odds, found itself in the optimal location, seeded with the elements essential to form living organisms.

  billons of years of natural selection, global catastrohpies, extinctions and atmospheric changes have whiddled the vast biological community down to the fortunate, best-suited survivor species we see before us.

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  DarioKehl

  Billions of years ago, star dust exploded from ancient supernovae and eventually coalesced to form our local solar system. Earth, against astronomical odds, found itself in the optimal location, seeded with the elements essential to form living organisms. Billons of years of natural selection, global catastrohpies, extinctions and atmospheric changes have whiddled the vast biological community down to the fortunate, best-suited survivor species we see before us. Of those species, you are lucky enough to be human. Out of 300,000,000 sperm you fertilized the egg. You are a thermodynamic disaster! You are made of that coalesced star dust, and for a few decades, that bag of membranes, protiens, sugars and nucleotides are the vessel by which you get to experience the universe. You were fortunate enough to be born in a time and location where the benifits of modern science and medicine have reduced infant mortality rates while the "third world," or developing countries, have infant mortality rates as high as 20%. For most of the developing world, children are fortunate to make it past the age of 5--even in 2012. You likely live in an area with stable government, reliable infrastructure, clean water and excellent sanitation while most of the world does not.

  You live in a post-industrial era; a new technology age. The human understanding, discovery and acheivments we observe expanding every day yields products that would seem like pure magic to a person living only a century ago. Despite economic uncertainty, political upheaval, war, crime, natural disaster, a threatened environment and new health concerns, you have the ability to maintain a level of peace and satisfaction in your own little corner. You have the opportunity to gaze at a sunset, admire the beach, hike majestic mountains, study history, science, philosophy and marvel at the unfolding complexity of the observable universe as new discoveries emerge. You can communicate with friends overseas in real time, discover new talents, take on new hobbies and adventures, take risks and learn from failure. You laugh, you cry, you make love on rainy afternoons with your soul mate. You have the freedom to think for yourself. You have the right to body, mind, spirit and property. You have important responsibilties, like raising your children in a stable environment. You have the right to get angry, cuss, alter your body, have opinions and experiment with mind-altering substances. You are here, breathing, metabolising, reproducing--living. This is your life. And you beat unimaginable odds to get where you are now!

  How disgusting and tragic is it that religion--a genetic mental/behavioral hitch-hiker--can take that all away and hold you hostage. Terry's Top Ten list should be struck on gold plates and preserved forever. We were all in that Top Ten list before and whether we're out of that prison officially or only mentally, we must never forget the plight of the people we left behind. Their one shot, that marvelous opportunity they have called "life"--that prize that beats all odds of any Mega Millions jackpot--has been stolen from them by a geriatric body of men in Brooklyn who deny them the right to experience their prize to the fullest. This "Church of 'NO'" restricts them in every facet. It blinds them with a false hope and manipulates them by way of guilt and fear with its own twisted interpretations of a plagiarized, bronze-age book full of snuff, murder, misogyny, slavery, genocide, human sacrifice, black magic and their "jealous," "angry, cosmic voyuer BULLY god. What gives them the right?

  Damn right, I'm angry! I guess I'm in the anger phase of my awakening and escape. I savor every second of life, knowing this is all I'll have, and I'm unable to convey this to my JW friends or family. I cannot explain to them how epic their mistake is. I feel helpless, knowing that they'll never wake up and realize the things I realize. On days like this, I want to do something about it! When I calm down, I realize that it's not in my best interests to do anything but enjoy my prize of life in secrecy. This hurts. But keeping the pain to myself is the "cross"--oops, hold up, I mean "tourture stake"--I'm willing to bare. I could come out to them. I could tell them all. But watching their pain as a result of my actions would be greater than my current suffering. I am happier and more emotionally stable than ever before having shed that poisonous WT mindset, but I cannot share this exuberance with those I care most about. My one wish would be to see something happen--a scandal, a shakedown, a change in doctrine so unsettling that millions inside will awaken and leave. But Terry's Top Ten List is a great reminder why most would remain inside even if something devastating happened to watchtower.
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  My nephew is awake!

  by redvip2000 in

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  my 17 year old nephew is visiting from florida and to my surprise, last night in conversation, he revealed that for the last 2 years, he has come to realize that the watchtower society " is a bunch of bs" and that he can see how people are brainwashed in the organization.. interestingly, he has come to realize this, without knowing any of the facts and scandals that we all know about - he simply can see things don't add up.

  naturally our conversation progressed to discuss the inconsistencies in the org which he had no idea about, and the flood gates were opened.... he now wants to read the ray franz's books, and get as much information as possible.. he told me that the young people in the hall are beginning to speak to each other about " the issues", while keeping these conversations away from the parent's ears.

  sadly, my sister still expects and somewhat forces the kid to attend the meetings, but i told him that he should be wise and patient in the process of stepping away from the cult, to avoid too much collateral damage.. i often feared that the kid would be pressured into being baptized in the cult, but he seems determined to make sure that will never happen.

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  I LOVE hearing stories like this.