Posts by DarioKehl

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interesting stuff re the RC in my local area

by umbertoecho in

i was sent a list of places i could contact in my part of wa.

i was cautious.

i always ask if they are jws.

Polish Publishers that became inactive in 2015 will be reported to Branch Office

by wifibandit in

per ohmyjw over at r/exjw:.

i assume that other countries also got this letter to boe dated 1st september 2015 about sending additional information along with s-10 form (annual cong.

report).

IF they're ballsy enough to come after us faders, I'm done fading. It's time now for me personally to be honest with them. If they're gathering data to collect the reasons "why" people are leaving/going inactive, then maybe this is the time we let them know. Up to now, you can't volunteer info or ask "the wrong questions," because those actions have consequences. You can no longer write the branch with questions or concerns because they just forward it back to your local elder body. But THIS time, they will not only listen but document our concerns. It's rare, but public social pressure has affected change in high control groups in the past. They may take our data and double down on their strict policies or write a series of wt articles "explaining away" and minimalizing our concerns (as they did a few years ago with that pitiful series about 607/587). But, then again, they may actually be faced with a pile of data too big to ignore and "make adjustments in understanding" on key issues. The mormons did it re: blacks in the priesthood. The vatican did it with heliocentrism and evolution.

i know what I'm gonna share with them, in order of importance:

1) disfellowshipping

2) child sex abuse/2-witness rule/not warning publishers with children about prior offenders

3) dishonest writing/misquoting experts or quoting out of context

5) blood issue

6) science & history proving bible wrong (evolution, global flood, genetics, no archeological evidence for exodus, etc)

these are very real concerns, very specific issues and NOT "mentally diseased" rants. They'll be forced to stare at this data right in the face and I imagine, it will wake a lot of them up. This will be the first time many of them--including elders & bethelites--even hear about these issues. Imagine if they see the same bullet points come up over and over again from thousands of faders across every country. I think it'll do some good.

Thats my plan anyway. But only if they press me. Otherwise, I'm gonna stay silent on all of it and continue with my fade.

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Polish Publishers that became inactive in 2015 will be reported to Branch Office

by wifibandit in

per ohmyjw over at r/exjw:.

i assume that other countries also got this letter to boe dated 1st september 2015 about sending additional information along with s-10 form (annual cong.

report).

DarioKehl

If it's only in Poland, this is just a beta test for gathering metrics. If this letter is also in other countries, we may have reason for concern.

however, I can't imagine the GB pulling a stunt that would no doubt create massive negative PR within the bOrg and outside of it.

I've long suspected since the 90s (when the "kingdom news" campaigns first began, followed by memorial & convention invitation campaigns) that they were just gathering data; how quickly can we print X number of pamphlets? How quickly can we ship them? How effective are the bethelites and elders at keeping a new release confidential before the unveiling at the service meeting? How quickly can each congregation distribute one to every house on the territory and follow up on the not-at-homes?

with this new "return" brochure, it seems like they may be on another data-gathering mission and 2015 is a year marked for the case study. How many DID go inactive and why? How receptive were they to the invitation to return? Is there a geographical, socioeconomic, or age correlation? Think about it. If you're running a multi-billion $ global corporation in the Information Age and you've just rebranded yourself, data analysis is essential in identifying predictive indicators within your target market. This data will help them more accurately predict bOrg.tv viewership, whether or not donation pledges are realisticly being met, whether or not to sell off, merge or construct new KHs... It goes on and on.

i seriously doubt the GB will place the enormous additional responsibility on local elders to flush out every inactive member in some kind of massive purge. They want positive numbers on their end of year reports, not negative ones.

i became inactive in 2008 so I may be safe, but I DID have a sheperding call visit from 2 elders in 2015 where I told them that I struggle with doubts (I did not go into any detail). So.... I am a little concerned that I'd be on their radar since we did reestablish contact in 2015. Dammit. I really don't need the stress right now. Hopefully, this isn't a big deal. I keep telling myself that.

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Nearly Killing My Mother Wasn't Enough !

by cookiemaster in

as some of you might have read last week, my mother had extremely low hemoglobin and without it, she would have died.

i have somehow managed to bring her to reason and accept the transfusion.

it saved her life.

DarioKehl

How did they find out again? Medical treatments are confidential.

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JWs are just weird people, I think their going insane!

by ReligionOfHatred in

there's a interesting situation emerging where i live and i want to share it all with you because its proof i think jehovah has pulled his holy spirit away.

when elders think they can steal from the government and pretend to be holy, than jehovah god has left us!.

DarioKehl

Ouibliette? Where are youuuu?

ok, I'll carry the banner....

"Let's review: it's a cult."

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Crazyguy is going batshit crazy a Rant

by Crazyguy in

yesterday some jw's came over to my house and were even being nice to me, most of the time if they do come by an elder or ms may say something but the others will not, its even hard for them to say just hello (how pathetic).

( they also do this behind my back as if i don't know).

i now realize by not being their i've handed my kids right over to them!.

DarioKehl

Buy each boy a copy of Richard Dawkins' "The Magic of Reality." Have "family study" with them out of that book. It is wonderful--and beautifully illustrated. Five or 14--they'll love it.

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The social institution of the Kingdom Hall.

by The Rebel in

jw
friends

it is a warm sunny day, blue skies and i am excited by the prospect this sunday holds.

will i dismantle a motorbike?

paint a picture?

DarioKehl

Cold beer, masturbation and a bike ride into the city (while listening to atheist podcasts). I'll close the day with a scary or demonic slasher movie--R-rated, of course--and whack off again before going to bed. Fuck the cult, fuck the hall, fuck meetings, may the GB get cancer, Hail satan!

can anyone suggest a good obscure super twisted horror movie? I've seen just about everything and I need to be wowed.

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JW Threatened me with Violence Today :)

by cofty in

i popped into the supermarket for a few things after work today and found myself walking up an aisle alongside a couple who used to be in my tuesday group.

i see them reasonably often and always say hello much to their obvious annoyance.

i noticed that ian was sporting a shaggy beard.

DarioKehl

Resepctectfully agree with the naysayers on this one. It seems like taunting, especially if he has a beard. That indicates he may be out or awake to TTATT or trying to fade and when confronted with a ballsy apostate with nothing to lose, Ian has a legitimate concern. When I was fading, I agreed 100% with TTATT; I knew the bOrg was a cult. But holy cow if I was in a public place and a known, vocal apostate made a spectacle of calling me out, I'd have been mortified.

i don't understand all the "likes" on this thread. It's not constructive behavior. An encounter like that scared me out of my fade & delayed my awakening by 2 years. Consider circumstances & consequences. Play it cool with JWs who challenge the cult status quo. In time, you'll be pounding back beers in a pub together with many of those folks---please stop doing things to scare them back in. There's a difference between cathartis, activism and unfettered twattage.

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What woke you up?

by Israel Ricky Gonzales in

in march of 2014, i was a very active jw, a ministerial servant, gave a public talk, was an attendant for the memorial, and one of 4 cleaning captains for an international convention of 40,000+ attendees.

so what woke me up?

an innocent comment from a co-worker about the candice conti court case rang a bell that could not be unrung.

DarioKehl

Seeing stephen lett for the first time; saw him speak in person. That alone did more damage to their credibility than anything. I am *convinced* he's having the same effect on people now that his mannerisms are regularly broadcasted around the globe. Come ON! How can any rational person watch him and not experience profound cognitive dissonance? "THIS guy is one of our leaders? THIS guy will become one of christ's 24 co-ruling elders over all of humanity? *HIM???!!?!?*

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Local Congregation Takes Away My Dad's Phone Hook-Up (HE'S 85 YRS. OLD)

by NoMoreHustle in

this happened about 6 months ago, didn't really have an opportunity to post about it (been busy), but they still haven't given back his password for the phone hook-up.

they say that this is direction from the "branch office".

i think it's complete bs, the real reason why they are doing this is to punish me & my family because i am basically a ghost when it comes to meetings & any type of activity.

DarioKehl

This seems to be a recent pattern of behavior across the board. It used to be available for anyone to call in---my family did it all the time when dealing with illness. However, lately, it seems they're guarding those passwords like Fort Knox.

I'd be interested to hear a current elder's take on this; whether it not it's "new direction" and if so, how recently this was implemented.

My cynical nature points to only one reason: if butts ain't in the seats, bills ain't gonna find their way to the contribution boxes.

It's meant to discourage people from making a habit of attending remotely, especially now that they've launched such an aggressive real estate scheme. It wouldn't surprise me if they begin charging a nominal service fee to use the call-in feature.