Posts by DarioKehl

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The poor and deprived life of JW children.

by Esse quam videri in

i find it hard to believe that adults on this forum make such a big deal about not celebrating birthdays, x-mas, easter, halloween, etc, etc, etc.

i grew up as a jw kid and it actually made me feel good, being different from the other kids in school.

we went to meetings.

Hypothetical RE: Gay Marriage

by DarioKehl in

the setup:.

the supreme court rules in favor of gay marriage across the board, regardless of state constitutions in the next few weeks.. a gay couple get happily married.

several months go by and one of them is contacted at the door by jws.

DarioKehl

Interesting. I figured as much.

But what strikes me as a huge conflict is the way the bOrg puts so much emphasis on official state-issued licenses & certificates. For example:

1) the brother who gives the JW wedding talk must sign the marriage certificate BEFORE the bride & groom consummate. At least in my area, that's a big deal. I know of one example when this was overlooked & the speaker had to leave his house that evening & meet them at the hotel so they'd not be guilty of pornea; as if to say the Holy Spirit magic wasn't in the document without his signature and therefore any sex acts would not have been covered scriptural ly because the state certificate wasn't complete yet.

2) the fact that undocumented immigrants cannot hold privileges or title in the congregation because they're not here legally

3) the fact that voter registration cards are frowned upon--even when a government requires them (unless you live in Mexico and the GB gives you a free pass)

So, now my question is, if a gay married man takes an interest & wants to get baptized, he would have to get LEGALLY divorced (ie: a certified, state-issued divorce on a piece of paper) before he could join. Now, once he does this and becomes baptized, he now has a divorce on record. Arguably, it is unscriptural in the JW context if no adultery had occurred. So, would this divorce be used to prevent them from obtaining privileges or title?

Will the elders manual have to be updated to include a clause that says scriptural divorce for HETERO couples is only when adultery occurs, but interested gay couples automatically qualify for scriptural divorce--no adultery required--because gay is a gross sin anyway so that's a free pass?

Or, is it possible that a particularly homophobic elder body who just doesn't like gays--even "sheeplike" ones who abandon the practices & lifestyle--would use the divorce as a way to keep them in a perpetual state of suppression where they could never be an MS or pioneer?

finally, if a legally gay married couple divorced to accommodate the JW baptism requirements and one of them decided to marry a sister later (many gays inside the bOrg do that, don't ask me why), could the elders put their foot down & say they can't remarry because no adultery had occurred and based on this technicality, their gay divorce was unscriptural?

The org is really going to have to make some modifications in their official policy & soon! Either to say gay marriages with state-issued certificates simply do not count because "ew! gay...", or, that piece of paper is just as imbued with magical superpowers as any marriage certificate, voter ID or citizenship paperwork and therefore must in principle fall under the same guidelines for scriptural divorce as any other legally issued marriage certificate.

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Things that I trust more than Hillary Clinton

by Nathan Natas in

things that i trust more than hillary clinton:.

mexican tap water.

any email from nigeria.

DarioKehl

3rdgen:

ummm, excuse me, brother, but I certainly hope that the car you purchased was a 4-door to "fully equip" your "fine fight" in the ministry! *scoff*

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Hypothetical RE: Gay Marriage

by DarioKehl in

the setup:.

the supreme court rules in favor of gay marriage across the board, regardless of state constitutions in the next few weeks.. a gay couple get happily married.

several months go by and one of them is contacted at the door by jws.

DarioKehl

The Setup:

The Supreme Court rules in favor of gay marriage across the board, regardless of state constitutions in the next few weeks.

A gay couple get happily married. Several months go by and one of them is contacted at the door by JWs. This individual is sincerely interested and becomes convinced that it's the truth. After sharing the information, the partner is also interested and they begin attending meetings together, thereby outing themselves as a gay (but genuinely interested & "earnestly seeking) couple to the congregation. What happens next?

Would they be permitted to continue attending meetings together as unbaptized people? Would the elders encourage them to get divorced? Why or why not? And if so, how could they justify divorce when it's condemned in the Bible?

I'm only asking because this is a very likely possibility at some point in the future and it will be a very interesting & potentially explosive case in terms of PR for JW dot org.

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Scientific Proof that Evolution is NOT Scientific!

by Nicola.threeangelsmessage in

jw
friends

bruce malone, an outstanding scientist has absolute scientific proof that evolution is not scientific!.

bruce, a leading researcher for dow chemical for 30 years; he is one of the top 100 inventors eighteen of his inventions raised millions of dollars; and has a b.s.

degree in chemical engineering.

DarioKehl

Once again, a fundamentalist demonstrates how they are unwilling to engage opponents in a reasonable discussion. They always revert to personal insults which does nothing to support their ridiculous claims.

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Scientific Proof that Evolution is NOT Scientific!

by Nicola.threeangelsmessage in

jw
friends

bruce malone, an outstanding scientist has absolute scientific proof that evolution is not scientific!.

bruce, a leading researcher for dow chemical for 30 years; he is one of the top 100 inventors eighteen of his inventions raised millions of dollars; and has a b.s.

degree in chemical engineering.

DarioKehl

Why do religitards believe that snark is an effective debate strategy?

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Summarize every the meeting in 20 seconds

by Sour Grapes in

jw
friends

the world is full of wickedness.. the end is very near.. we must do more.. how thankful we are for the governing body.

.

DarioKehl

Beware of Satan's dangerous traps that lurk around on the so-called "information superhighway."

Avoid materialism! Today's wicked system puts undue importance on having the latest and greates technological gadgets, only to produce a new model moments later, making your investment obsolete in a very short time.

****SCREEEEEECH**** (vinyl record scrape noise)

wait---hold up! Scratch that, dear brothers...

Hang on a sec...

...ok, so Jehovah's chariot just took a last-minute detour. Go out and GET the roku and a new roku compatible TV. Yeah, and go ahead and GET the latest tablet (with wi-fi); preferably one for every member of your family. Doing so on a single window-washing income is a fine demonstration of loyalty indeed. Although we scorned the practice of bringing laptops or printouts of scriptures from our WTCD library in place of actually looking up scripture in a real NWT no less than 3 short years ago, we've pulled a 180 and no longer frown upon that. Our many apps available to you at double-u double-u double-u dot jay double-u dot org, will ensure quick and easy reference to accurate, up-to-date and (recently re-edited to fit the newest of light) spiritual food available at your fingertips. How loving for the slave to use this superhighway of information--a provision by Jehovah for us in these last days! Are we not grateful?

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JW.org does partial U-turn over Awake! magazine Rama Singh misquote

by Watchtower-Free in

posted on april 19, 2015http://jwsurvey.org/cedars-blog/jw-org-does-partial-u-turn-over-awake-magazine-rama-singh-misquote

jw.org has removed their misquote of rama singh from digital versions of awake!

magazine.

DarioKehl

Awesome catch! If anyone has a printed copy with the misquote, now is a good time to take friends or family to JW.org & compare the 2 articles: "See? Told you! It freaking happens. And not just with their old material--this is in 2015! Use your f#%^ing noodle and wake up."

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I'm an ABSENTHEIST. Are you also?

by EdenOne in

it just dawned on me.

the existence of god can't be proved, neither is there evidence of god's inexistence.

so, i'm neither theist neither atheist.

DarioKehl

Belief in the absentee god is called deism.

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The mathematical probability of spontaneous order (no designer/creator)

by Fernando in

there seem to be many prerequisites for life as we know it.. to name a few: order, function, compatibility, availability, sustainability, intelligence, consciousness, intuition and so on.. focusing on only one, namely order.. what are the chances of order arising spontaneously, by chance, with no creator/designer?.

i have often pondered this and recently came across a mathematical summary of the big picture:.

if every particle in the known physical universe (10^80 particles), participated in one trillion interactions (10^12 interactions) per second, for the entire 30 billion years of the universe's existence (10^18 seconds), then we would by now have covered only 10^110 permutations.. if you had only 100 components in a container, what are the chances that a blindfolded person could lay them out in order on a table?.

DarioKehl

Fernando:

You do have honest & legitimate questions that most people who have recently left religion will (and should) be asking.

All of the points you've raised, believe it or not, have been studied heavily and there are hundreds of peer-reviewed journals on those topics. However, for the average person, it's hard to even know where to begin the investigation--many science journals were only available on pay sites or university libraries until a few years ago. Even now, it is hard to slug through all of the pseudoscience/creationist/conspiracy theory pages that will come up on page 1 of a Google search.

Might I suggest a link for you? I'll provide it below. But first, I want you to think about something:

Evolution involves two equally important things. The first (and usually the only one focused on by religions) is random mutation. Every publication by JWs stops there. They only focus on the exceedingly unlikely probabilities that the final observed product could have resulted "by chance."

They ignore the second (and most important) part: natural selection. There is a SELECTION process involved. In every example you gave in your OP, I want you to imagine a selective process in the system. For example, if a million monkeys were banging away on keyboards for thousands of years, they'd likely not produce the entire works of Shakespeare. But, if a selection process were introduced that saved each correct entry by all 1 million monkeys and excluded the nonsense entries based on a template, you'd have the works of Shakespeare in no time!

so, what you should be asking is, "what's the template and where did IT come from?"

that, my friend, is where your journey begins. PM me if you have any questions. But for now, take a look at the information at this link:

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/abioprob/